War in Ukraine

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European NatGas Soars 70% In Week Amid Freeport Delays And Russian Cuts | ZeroHedge

Between Russian supply cuts and Western sanctions on Russia preventing key equipment from being installed on Nord Stream, total cuts through the pipeline have been about 60% to 65 million cubic meters a day. Factor in the prospect of LNG import disruptions from US' Freeport, and the supply outlook in the EU becomes more bearish as gas demand for cooling soars with summer just days away, which means delays in filling inventories could be lead to a harsh European winter.
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DonjoVol said:
They weren't freedom fighters.
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Sure. Just like the people of Donbas arent freedom fighters. Assad pissed off a ton of people, including most of the military. They were undergoing their worst drought in 100 years or more, and following economic collapse. Their election only happened in cities that supported Assad and not the entire country. And Assad has pushed put a lot of the officials that got rich off his dad, and put in his own officials. They wanted Assad gone. And were winning. Until a bunch of terrorists just so happened to have their jail cells left open.

Funny how you only accept independence and regime change when it favors Russia.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Two American Fighters Are Believed Captured By Russia In Ukraine | ZeroHedge

I just don't understand. These "patriots" would go halfway around the world to fight in Ukraine, yet there are zero "patriots" here in America doing anything about stolen elections and a tyrant on Pennsylvania Ave... All of that virtue signaling about standing for the flag and my 2nd Amendment... and for what?
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Trump wasnt worth bloodshed. And there was the 1/6 protests. I mean rebellion that very nearly overthrew the world's most powerful government because of a man in a buffalo hat.

The volunteers didn't start the fight in Ukraine. They joined an existing fight. No existing fight here to jump in on. Big difference between the two.
 
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LouderVol said:
Funny how you only accept independence and regime change when it favors Russia.
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No, the issue is that the US doesn't need to be involved in any of these independence movements or regime change operations. The message has been consistent on our side. Your side is the one that likes to pick and choose which ones to be involved in and have shown a string of inconsistencies. When these inconsistencies are pointed out by comparing Ukraine to other events, you guys scream "whataboutism".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, the issue is that the US doesn't need to be involved in any of these independence movements or regime change operations. The message has been consistent on our side. Your side is the one that likes to pick and choose which ones to be involved in and have shown a string of inconsistencies. When these inconsistencies are pointed out by comparing Ukraine to other events, you guys scream "whataboutism".
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I have been consistent. Check the syria thread. Stay the frick out. Sell to whoever we think are the good guys. I have never wanted any of our assets used, deployed, or given.

Just because I dont want the US involved doesnt eliminate the possibility of calling out bad as bad, whether its Assad, Russia, or the US, and morally supporting the "good guys" on VN.
 
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LouderVol said:
Sure. Just like the people of Donbas arent freedom fighters. Assad pissed off a ton of people, including most of the military. They were undergoing their worst drought in 100 years or more, and following economic collapse. Their election only happened in cities that supported Assad and not the entire country. And Assad has pushed put a lot of the officials that got rich off his dad, and put in his own officials. They wanted Assad gone. And were winning. Until a bunch of terrorists just so happened to have their jail cells left open.

Funny how you only accept independence and regime change when it favors Russia.
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The conflict in Syria was a manufactured conflict. We armed the "rebels" in Syria which of course benefits the military industrial complex.

The conflict resulted due to the Iran-Iraq- Syria pipeline which the U.S. and it's allies prevented from happening. Plus Assad doesn't play ball with the U.S. and it's allies like Israel so they have been doing everything they can to oust him from power.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wasn't comparing the ruble to the US markets. I was simply showing you the results of Western sanctions in two different areas. But you knew that.
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So the drop in the US markets is solely, or even a majority, due to the sanctions on Russia?

And if we are helping Russia so much via the sanctions why hadnt they done something to replicate these results in the past? Just without invading their neighbor?
 
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DonjoVol said:
The conflict in Syria was a manufactured conflict. We armed the "rebels" in Syria which of course benefits the military industrial complex.

The conflict resulted due to the Iran-Iraq- Syria pipeline which the U.S. and it's allies prevented from happening. Plus Assad doesn't play ball with the U.S. and it's allies like Israel so they have been doing everything they can to oust him from power.
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Too bad we didnt arm the rebels until they had taken half the nation and have Assad on the ropes.

And we didnf directly start helping them until Assad released his terrorist prisoners, creating a bigger issue.
 
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LouderVol said:
So the drop in the US markets is solely, or even a majority, due to the sanctions on Russia?

And if we are helping Russia so much via the sanctions why hadnt they done something to replicate these results in the past? Just without invading their neighbor?
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Narrator: And don’t forget Russia’s own projections for their economy is a 15% shrink.
 
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LouderVol said:
Too bad we didnt arm the rebels until they had taken half the nation and have Assad on the ropes.

And we didnf directly start helping them until Assad released his terrorist prisoners, creating a bigger issue.
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Where are you getting this information from? Released his terrorist prisoners? You do realize he was fighting ISIS and other terrorist groups right?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Where are you getting this information from? Released his terrorist prisoners? You do realize he was fighting ISIS and other terrorist groups right?
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IIRC there was a Vice article following their rise in Syria. I know I linked it at least twice in one of the Syria threads.


All of this is TIFWIW from my memory of 8ish years ago.
Assad was fighting a bunch of people. ISIS was one of them but they werent a threat. The main threat was whatever the Syrian freedom group called itself. (Peoples army of something, made up of all the old veterans Assad fired) They had pushed Assad way back.

Now Assad had a bunch of old Al Queda and other terrorists locked up from an exchange with the US, that's a fun rabbit hole worth reading that you should like. They got out. Again IIRC there was some confusion. There might have been an internal jail break, or an outside strike happened and some prisoners got free. Now part of the confusion is that the jail claims these leaders had already been moved before the incident and were in another facility. But they were actually free.

What made the Peoples Army dangerous, and ISIS not dangerous was leadership. The peoples army was made up of vets. Who were effective leaders. ISIS had little foothold because they had no leadership. Of course some of the leadership that had been locked up were exIraqi military so now ISIS was effectively lead.

Also ISIS was able to change narrative. The Peoples Army was fighting a pure government based rebellion and was able to draw support from a lot of disgruntled people that were all anti Assad and didnt have too many issues with each other because it was focused on other issues. But with ISIS on the rise the religious support was drawn away from the Peoples Army and now Assad gets to claim he is fighting Islamic extremists.
 
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