War in Ukraine

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Rickyvol77 said:
You posted it shouldn’t be an arrestable offense and that police should never respond to a domestic violence call.
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Show me where I specifically said that... or did I say that the police get involved in far too many of these domestic cases?

Rickyvol77 said:
You posted also how you would cowardly let a woman get assaulted by her man because it was none of your business.
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I sure did say that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
John Kirby decided to refrain from commenting on the impact of the UAF on the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka | tellerreport.com

“We have only recently seen fresh data on this,” Kirby said, quoted by TASS.

He added that, "presumably, a barrack with Ukrainian prisoners of war was hit."

“But we cannot confirm this, so I think I need to refrain,” the official added.

At the same time, as RIA Novosti reported, a senior Pentagon official said that "if it was a strike from the Ukrainian side," then "they didn't want to do it."
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Kirby should keep his pie hole shut. No reason to ignore the factual reporting on the strike we’ve got
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What kind of man would let an innocent woman be assaulted and just watch? You psychopath
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As much as it pains me I’m going to come to Ras’s defense in this one. If I remember right his stance is that a woman doesn’t get a free pass to just beat a dude and him take it due to gender. The dude gets a chance at defense. I don’t completely agree as I think there are very few cases where I would feel endangered physically by a female but I will concede gender isn’t the primary concern for defending oneself from assault.

I’ve never seen Ras advocate for a male striking a woman without physical provocation. IE sticks and stones doesn’t pass the bar. That is my take on it anyway.

It would take a lot to get me to strike a woman. But I’ll concede in this day and age you’ve got a bunch that abuse that long held gender based view.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
As much as it pains me I’m going to come to Ras’s defense in this one. If I remember right his stance is that a woman doesn’t get a free pass to just beat a dude and him take it due to gender. The dude gets a chance at defense. I don’t completely agree as I think there are very few cases where I would feel endangered physically by a female but I will concede gender isn’t the primary concern for defending oneself from assault.

I’ve never seen Ras advocate for a male striking a woman without physical provocation. IE sticks and stones doesn’t pass the bar. That is my take on it anyway.

It would take a lot to get me to strike a woman. But I’ll concede in this day and age you’ve got a bunch that abuse that long held gender based view.
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He said he worked with a girl whose boyfriend came and beat her ass in the parking lot. He also posted that video of the guy assaulting an innocent girl and said no one should’ve intervened. He’s sick in the head
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He said he worked with a girl whose boyfriend came and beat her ass in the parking lot. He also posted that video of the guy assaulting an innocent girl and said no one should’ve intervened. He’s sick in the head
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Ok I didn’t see that. I just relayed our prior discussions on the topic as it’s come up here.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Factual reporting? Wait, John Kirby is with the Pentagon, genius. Is he supposed to be getting info from reliable intelligence or from "reporting"?
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To quote you .., so?

There is all kinds of reporting from other sources out there showing the castration as well as the strike. That’s factual. Kirby is right to be deliberate however there is plenty to show your home boys are working hard like a cat covering up a turd in a sandbox Moe.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Factual reporting? Wait, John Kirby is with the Pentagon, genius. Is he supposed to be getting info from reliable intelligence or from "reporting"?
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Lord have mercy imagine believing anything out of the Pentagon, but especially the Pentagon under this particular administration.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So what do we have: Believe the Pentagon or believe media reports?
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Apparently we are to just believe them all, according to the guy that cackled his way to the bank on the taxpayer dime while sending kids to die in deserts with poorly engineered trash (when they could actually, you know, get it to them).

Because after all, I highly doubt some random a-hole on VolNation is the one in 10,000 contractors that actually produced something useful.
 
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The Russian Federation, in the interests of conducting an objective investigation of the attack on the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka, which led to the death of a large number of Ukrainian prisoners of war, officially invited experts from the UN and the International Committee of the Red Cross.
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FLVOL_79 said:
So Pootin should stop amirite?
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Not until Donbas is liberated at the very least. If The West was really serious about wanting to bring peace, they would recognize Crimea and Donbas right now, pledge Ukrainian neutrality and allow for referendums in Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Kherson and Odessa. That would be the best peace deal that the Kyiv Regime could get right now.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Apparently we are to just believe them all, according to the guy that cackled his way to the bank on the taxpayer dime while sending kids to die in deserts with poorly engineered trash (when they could actually, you know, get it to them).

Because after all, I highly doubt some random a-hole on VolNation is the one in 10,000 contractors that actually produced something useful.
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Lol. You’re really hung up on me working for a defense contractor huh? You can only imagine how crushed I am that I don’t get the affirmation I so desperately need from your butt hurt self.

We spend too much money on defense. I’ve said that myself here. I’ve also said that process producing $500 hammers makes perfect sense to me based on the government procurement process. But you can probably find some singular anecdotal lady to refute that for you if you need to 🤡

And if you think the west isn’t going to take advantage of arming a combatant against Russia in a perfect scenario proxy war like this you’re out of your mind. We’re gonna give them the weapons to blow up the Russians. But let Europe pay for the hearts and minds.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not until Donbas is liberated at the very least. If The West was really serious about wanting to bring peace, they would recognize Crimea and Donbas right now, pledge Ukrainian neutrality and allow for referendums in Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Kherson and Odessa. That would be the best peace deal that the Kyiv Regime could get right now.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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Have they already included some stupid ass missile serial numbers and claiming they came from Ukranian stockpiles again Moe?

What do you think this actually changes? What do you think they could do otherwise? To block access to the International Red Cross would be yet another offense on the Geneva Convention accords.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol. You’re really hung up on me working for a defense contractor huh? You can only imagine how crushed I am that I don’t get the affirmation I so desperately need from your butt hurt self.

We spend too much money on defense. I’ve said that myself here. I’ve also said that process producing $500 hammers makes perfect sense to me based on the government procurement process. But you can probably find some singular anecdotal lady to refute that for you if you need to 🤡

And if you think the west isn’t going to take advantage of arming a combatant against Russia in a perfect scenario proxy war like this you’re out of your mind. We’re gonna give them the weapons to blow up the Russians. But let Europe pay for the hearts and minds.
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tl; dr
 
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ButchPlz said:
Ok chief. I'm not the one that has to live knowing I accomplished nothing.
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Instead of being this guy why not look at all the information available from a huge number of sources on this missile strike and practice a little Occam’s Razor

Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go clean up some rusty old muskets and relabel them as M-4’s for resale to the US military on a small business initiative contract so I can support my retirement pension 😂

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NorthDallas40 said:
Instead of being this guy why not look at all the information available from a huge number of sources on this missile strike and practice a little Occam’s Razor

Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go clean up some rusty old muskets and relabel them as M-4’s for resale to the US military on a small business initiative contract so I can support my retirement pension 😂

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Not sure why he has such animosity for an industry that is responsible for the research, development, and manufacturing of every single piece of clothing and equipment the military uses. Not to mention the vast majority of the training training that is being conducted. Most of these people are retired service members who want to still be involved with their previous vocation.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Not sure why he has such animosity for an industry that is responsible for the research, development, and manufacturing of every single piece of clothing and equipment the military uses. Not to mention the vast majority of the training training that is being conducted. Most of these people are retired service members who want to still be involved with their previous vocation.
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It’s no biggie. It’s just how we throw poo at each other here. @ButchPlz and I will agree nearly across the board in any other thread. And he’s not wrong on spending we spend entirely too much on defense. Our procurement process is highly inefficient and frankly rewards overruns and inefficiencies. I’ve seen it first hand for 35 years. I can’t tell anyone they’re wrong when you see the spending issues we have here at home and see the massive amount of money we’ve committed to Ukraine already. It’s maddening. But also like you know we absolutely will not pass up a chance to assist Russia in their own suicide even to our own short term monetary detriment. But we will never see a better ROI on foreign aid or FMS than the monies committed here to disassemble Russia.

But only as long as Ukraine wants this fight. We have to be honest this is a proxy war. But thus far it’s a war Ukraine wants. If/when they want to seek peace and possibly make territory concessions that is their choice and we need to not pressure to extend I believe.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s no biggie. It’s just how we throw poo at each other here. @ButchPlz and I will agree nearly across the board in any other thread. And he’s not wrong on spending we spend entirely too much on defense. Our procurement process is highly inefficient and frankly rewards overruns and inefficiencies. I’ve seen it first hand for 35 years. I can’t tell anyone they’re wrong when you see the spending issues we have here at home and see the massive amount of money we’ve committed to Ukraine already. It’s maddening. But also like you know we absolutely will not pass up a chance to assist Russia in their own suicide even to our own short term monetary detriment. But we will never see a better ROI on foreign aid or FMS than the monies committed here to disassemble Russia.

But only as long as Ukraine wants this fight. We have to be honest this is a proxy war. But thus far it’s a war Ukraine wants. If/when they want to seek peace and possibly make territory concessions that is their choice and we need to not pressure to extend I believe.
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Definitely agree on the procurement process. We submit RFPs for an idea instead of the finished product and we allow for cost overruns. The materials vs services portion of contracting is, IMO, day and night. On the services portion, normally its a fixed price for an identified period to address a gap in readiness, training proficiency, or operations. Its looked as a short term stop gap until they fill it with a greensuiter or a gov civilian. Sometimes the contracts become longer term due to the adaptiveness of contract vs internal gov related change processes.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Definitely agree on the procurement process. We submit RFPs for an idea instead of the finished product and we allow for cost overruns. The materials vs services portion of contracting is, IMO, day and night. On the services portion, normally its a fixed price for an identified period to address a gap in readiness, training proficiency, or operations. Its looked as a short term stop gap until they fill it with a greensuiter or a gov civilian. Sometimes the contracts become longer term due to the adaptiveness of contract vs internal gov related change processes.
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Yeah the long term maintenance contracts have modified I’ve noticed over the last ten or fifteen years to much more competitive pricing. In my own product area it had resulted in some pretty damn hilarious situations. I’ve always said the prime contractor business is a lot like the car business you make money maintaining the car not selling the car. That isn’t factually correct as you’ve noted though since GM or Ford aren’t paid by customers on design cost over runs before they even sell a car. In our products I’ve seen us get beaten out on maintenance contracts only to have the bid winner come in an either buy our maintainers out from under us or set up a technology exchange service contract so they can learn how to actually fulfill their contractural duties 😂
 
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