War in Ukraine

[USF grad in TN]

When Russia is pushing towards town X what should the Ukraine military do? Stay out and let the Russians have it or go defend it?

When your country has been invaded civilians in the way of the invaders have a choice. Pick up a rifle and fight or get the hell out. The military has to go where they need to go to stop the invading forces.

I understand not wanting the military to live in an active hospital, but where do you draw the line?

If a criminal gang is trying to break into my house, I want the cops to come to my house, not "gang headquarters" on the other side of town.
If the Russian army was invading my neighborhood and I was standing my ground with guns pointed out the window, I would expect our military to show up and help me.

 

[DonjoVol]

Anger From Ukraine's Backers After Damning Amnesty Report Spotlights 'Human Shields' | ZeroHedge

Whoopsie, I guess Amnesty International has become a Putin lover too now? Or maybe Ukraine is not quite as morally shiny as their media sycophants like to portray?

More to the point perhaps, how can Ukraine claim Russia war crimes when AI is documenting how they are intentionally using human shields (against their will) with residential populations to protect military targets, including schools and hospitals?

Wait, I hear Ras and a few others rushing to this post,,,,but I bet the rest of the posters on this thread will remain awfully quiet.

Some of us have actually brought up this fact in the past. It's been well known that the Ukrainian military uses this tactic of staging their troops in heavily populated areas residential and commercial areas. The usual Ukrainian troll factory here refused to believe it or acknowledge it. Now that Amnesty has brought it they are like oh well lol. It's amazing the mental gymnastics these guys and gals play here in this thread.

 

[SweetasSoda]

For you history buffs...

Is the situation with Russia starting to feel like Nazi Germany circa 1935-1939? A 'light' version (so far) but it seems similar.

Germany was beaten down following World War 1. An unhinged, charismatic leader with WW1 experience took control and inspired nationalism. He preached about how unfairly Germany was treated post-war and wanted to reclaim land he believed to be German. He slowly started invading neighboring countries and conquered them one-by-one. He committed atrocities to innocent people in the name of War -- at first under the radar and then in public view. America let him do this unabated until we were 'pulled' into a World War by Japan.

An unhinged Russian leader with Cold War-experience and nearly unlimited internal power and money is bitter about the breakup of the USSR and Russian post-Cold War concessions. He wants to reclaim some of the land they gave up. He's committing war-time atrocities barely under the radar. America is allowing him to do this unabated.

This situation isn't going away and I think we'll need to get *really* involved at some point. I hoped for an overthrow or financial coup among his billionaire friends. It ain't happenin'.

According to Ezekiel 38 Russia will become more powerful and attempt to invade Israel with allies Turkey and Iran. In the 80s I couldn’t imagine those as allies. It’s both fascinating and terrifying watching what is happening.

 

[Gandalf]

When Russia is pushing towards town X what should the Ukraine military do? Stay out and let the Russians have it or go defend it?

When your country has been invaded civilians in the way of the invaders have a choice. Pick up a rifle and fight or get the hell out. The military has to go where they need to go to stop the invading forces.

Dont get me wrong - I have no love for Russians. My only point is again, people do whatever they can - both as aggressor and to survive. I dont blame either of them.

What I DO have a problem with is our media trying to lionize one of them over the other. What I DO have problem with is our corrupt politicians sending US Taxpayer money to them so they and their cronies on both sides can get rich off of the suffering.

 

[hog88]

Some of us have actually brought up this fact in the past. It's been well known that the Ukrainian military uses this tactic of staging their troops in heavily populated areas residential and commercial areas. The usual Ukrainian troll factory here refused to believe it or acknowledge it. Now that Amnesty has brought it they are like oh well lol. It's amazing the mental gymnastics these guys and gals play here in this thread.

Why would they stage their troops there if the Russians weren't attacking or on the move there? If the Russians were maneuvering through the open countryside it would be stupid for Ukraine to stage it's troops inside the towns/cities and let the Russians bypass them.

 

[hog88]

Dont get me wrong - I have no love for Russians. My only point is again, people do whatever they can - both as aggressor and to survive. I dont blame either of them.

What I DO have a problem with is our media trying to lionize one of them over the other. What I DO have problem with is our corrupt politicians sending US Taxpayer money to them so they and their cronies on both sides can get rich off of the suffering.

I also have a huge problem with our tax dollars being sent over there to aid Ukraine, Europe should be footing the bill if they want a Russia free Ukraine. My problem is with idiocy like that article, Ukrainian troops wouldn't be setting up defensive positions in town if the Russians weren't heading that way.

 

[ACvol3]

According to Ezekiel 38 Russia will become more powerful and attempt to invade Israel with allies Turkey and Iran. In the 80s I couldn’t imagine those as allies. It’s both fascinating and terrifying watching what is happening.

Russia = Magog?

 

[Hunerwadel]

Some of us have actually brought up this fact in the past. It's been well known that the Ukrainian military uses this tactic of staging their troops in heavily populated areas residential and commercial areas. The usual Ukrainian troll factory here refused to believe it or acknowledge it. Now that Amnesty has brought it they are like oh well lol. It's amazing the mental gymnastics these guys and gals play here in this thread.

Shut up. Americans are talking here.

 

[Vol737]

According to Ezekiel 38 Russia will become more powerful and attempt to invade Israel with allies Turkey and Iran. In the 80s I couldn’t imagine those as allies. It’s both fascinating and terrifying watching what is happening.

I thought about bringing this up a few times and didn’t. It’s is almost unbelievable that it appears to all be taking place as described in Ezekiel 38. I wondered forever why Russia vs Israel. Now we are seeing how events can be conflated in such ways to pit nation against nation in an instant.

 

[Vol737]

Russia = Magog?

Read a long synopsis on this years ago and the contention was that the land Magog was territory where modern day Russia sits today. Not surprisingly, Libya, Ethiopia, Iran and Syria also go against Israel. We’ve seen the alliances become closer recently between Russia and several of those countries. And Turkey has increasingly been more obstinate within NATO and developed a more Islamic hardline stance under Erdogan. I’m paying close attention to any Israeli actions regarding Iran’s nuclear program. That could be the real catalyst that kicks this whole thing off. Interesting times.

Edit: Interesting there’s also no mention of Egypt in any of this, or at least not that I can remember.

 

[Orangeburst]

I thought about bringing this up a few times and didn’t. It’s is almost unbelievable that it appears to all be taking place as described in Ezekiel 38. I wondered forever why Russia vs Israel. Now we are seeing how events can be conflated in such ways to pit nation against nation in an instant.

Israel becomes a safe haven for Russian-Jewish oligarchs and freedom-seeking refugees

I see the CCP gaining access to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and their Belt Road as a way to march the 200M to Megiddo.
It is fascinating to watch with Biblical prophesy perspective.
And before someone sees comedy about the millennia world is going to end narrative..Man has free will and decides his own fate and timing..but it will come to pass.

 

[Vol737]

Israel becomes a safe haven for Russian-Jewish oligarchs and freedom-seeking refugees

I see the CCP gaining access to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and their Belt Road as a way to march the 200M to Megiddo.
It is fascinating to watch with Biblical prophesy perspective.
And before someone sees comedy about the millennia world is going to end narrative..Man has free will and decides his own fate and timing..but it will come to pass.

Turkey is the interesting play to me as a member of NATO. Wondering if they take exception to the admission of new members (or other perceived slight by other NATO countries), become more hardline, form other alliances in the ME and step away from NATO as a result.

 

[Orangeburst]

Turkey is the interesting play to me as a member of NATO. Wondering if they take exception to the admission of new members (or other perceived slight by other NATO countries), become more hardline, form other alliances in the ME and step away from NATO as a result.

They are a conundrum for sure. They are hedging back and forth.. Only Turkey, as a NATO member, could be denied F-35's. Frankly Erdogan probably envisions his own revival of the Ottoman Empire

Return of the Empire: Why Erdogan Wants to Resurrect the Ottoman State
Why Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Love Affair with the Ottoman Empire Should Worry The World

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Israel becomes a safe haven for Russian-Jewish oligarchs and freedom-seeking refugees

I see the CCP gaining access to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and their Belt Road as a way to march the 200M to Megiddo.
It is fascinating to watch with Biblical prophesy perspective.
And before someone sees comedy about the millennia world is going to end narrative..Man has free will and decides his own fate and timing..but it will come to pass.

All of this is far more interesting with Orangeslice13 perspective added as a Messianic Jew...he tells often that the Jews in Israel are nearly finished purchasing all the land from private owners to rebuild THE Temple at Jerusalem....not the current temple but Solomons Temple. Many believe this is the only task remaining before the Rapture. I am among them.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Start a thread if yall want. I find it fascinating...and anticipate His return.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[FLVOL_79]

Some of us have actually brought up this fact in the past. It's been well known that the Ukrainian military uses this tactic of staging their troops in heavily populated areas residential and commercial areas. The usual Ukrainian troll factory here refused to believe it or acknowledge it. Now that Amnesty has brought it they are like oh well lol. It's amazing the mental gymnastics these guys and gals play here in this thread.

I can't get enough of this! I love that you since you've been outed as a paid/compromised foreign troll you think your troll tactic of deflection can work in any scenario. Bless your heart.

And Zerohedge? lol.

 

[FLVOL_79]

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I wonder how long it will take for our local trolls/compromised posters to fact check this?...

 

[FLVOL_79]

After 2 weeks Russia finally captured the metropolis of Pisky in the Donetsk region today.

Population: 18.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

The money laundering business is going quite well. Send another billion!

 

[evillawyer]

 

[evillawyer]

Got met by Eric Berry going over the middle

 

[T Clifton]

30% is an optimistic estimate.

This is nothing more than a way to launder funds, blame someone for inflation that won't go away for a year or two, and separate people in the United States of America.

Fugg Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenski.

Absolute clown show from the Administraion that represents America.

Obviously a scheme to move blame, money and facts.

 

[MontyPython]

A sculpture of Vladimir Putin has appeared in a playground in New York City's Central Park

 

[T Clifton]

A sculpture of Vladimir Putin has appeared in a playground in New York City's Central Park

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Thank You France.