War in Ukraine

[volgr]

Best just mock him, engaging with him is like arguing with toddler.

Aww come on Septic, you still raw?

 

[MontyPython]

Common sense? Trench warfare where Russia has a huge advantage in training, tactics, equipment, air superiority, and rounds fired each day.

Tell us about your military experience and training to make such estimates about casualties.

And also - just to ask the obvious - when you say "Russia has a huge advantage in training, tactics, equipment, air superiority, and rounds fired each day", would that exact description apply to the United States when we invaded that sliver of a sh*thole country called Vietnam?

Did we win that war, too, @volgr?

 

[MontyPython]

Ukraine war: Russia appeals for new recruits for war effort

 

[Velo Vol]

Ukraine war: Russia appeals for new recruits for war effort

"Two volunteer artillery battalions are being formed. We invite men from 18 to 60 years old to join," the speakers blare out.

60 years old. That doesn't smell of desperation at all.

Looking at estimating casualties, Russia/Allies have lost around 18-24k. Ukraine has lost around 80-100k.

Try again. And who are the "Allies"? Come on.

Russia does not give numbers, but Western officials say between 70,000 and 80,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded since it launched its invasion six months ago.

 

[Septic]

Aww come on Septic, you still raw?

Raw? From what?

Watching you thump your chest while on your back and getting clowned? Should that make me "raw?"

Your lack of self awareness is breathtaking.

 

[evillawyer]

Russians soldiers be like:

 

[Septic]

60 years old. That doesn't smell of desperation at all.


Try again. And who are the "Allies"? Come on.

I think he thinks he's trolling. I really don't have any other explanation for someone being so out of touch with the reality of the beatdown he's taking.

 

[Septic]

60 years old. That doesn't smell of desperation at all.


Try again. And who are the "Allies"? Come on.

"Recruiters have even been visiting Russian prisons to sign up inmates, promising them freedom and money. "

"Nina Chubarina's son Yevgeny left their village in the northern region of Karelia to join a volunteer battalion. Nina says her son, who had no military experience, was given a gun and sent straight into Ukraine.

He was killed just days later. He was 24 years old."

Unbelievable.

 

[volfanhill]

"Recruiters have even been visiting Russian prisons to sign up inmates, promising them freedom and money. "

"Nina Chubarina's son Yevgeny left their village in the northern region of Karelia to join a volunteer battalion. Nina says her son, who had no military experience, was given a gun and sent straight into Ukraine.

He was killed just days later. He was 24 years old."

Unbelievable.

But it's all going to plan

 

[USF grad in TN]

Putin cronies fear coup after war guru's daughter blown up 'by rogue FSB agents'

Rogue elements within the Russian security services and resistance fighters who want to overthrow the regime are among the suspects in the Moscow assassination of Darya Dugina, 30.

 

[apevol]

hats off to Usyk

 

[USF grad in TN]

The Ground Is Shifting in Ukraine

Western specialists are estimating that Russia’s military is approaching what the Prussian theorist of war Carl von Clausewitz called a culminating point — a situation in which the forces of one or both sides are incapable of further strategic offense. They are just sufficient to establish a defensive redoubt, waiting for peace negotiations, and hoping in the meantime to avoid the enemy’s wrath. Peace or defeat.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[evillawyer]

And it's down

 

[NorthDallas40]

I think he thinks he's trolling. I really don't have any other explanation for someone being so out of touch with the reality of the beatdown he's taking.

His dedication to his propaganda task is both admirable and laughable. It’s refreshing to see someone dive into their work with such enthusiasm and zeal even that effort is pushing some of the stupidest ill informed state propaganda seen in recent times.

 

[MontyPython]

With the 3 bridges down, the 20K or so Russia troops west of the Dneiper are cut off from substantial supplies. They still have their makeshift rafts for now, but those too will be subject to HIMARS should they attempt to move any substantial materiel. But these rafts aren't enough to supply adequate artillery for the Russians to put up much resistance. Alternatively, they can try air drops, but given a lack of air superiority on either side, I think this wouldn't work.

On the flip side, @volgr is right about one thing - Ukraine has yet to show the ability to mount a big counteroffensive. Most of the pundits I follow suggest they may not have adequate numbers of artillery or armored vehicles which seems plausible... but they do have the manpower and that number is increasing- unlike Russia.

I think both sides have culminated for now. But, I suspect Ukraine will find a way to eliminate the Russian troops west of the Dneiper. It might be a death by a thousand cuts for the Russians, but they are vulnerable and they will likely only get weaker over time. All in all, the Ukrainians always seem to just find a clever way to get it done.

I would like to think that the US and other western countries are willing to give Ukraine whatever it needs to have a successful counterattack and force Putin to come to the bargaining table. Otherwise, this war just goes on and on and on.

Which begs the question: What objectives are necessary for Ukraine to agree to a ceasefire... recapturing most/all of the land taken post-February, 2022 invasion? Retaking some/all of the Donbas or Crimean regions? Zelensky has stated repeatedly that the country will not negotiate until they get their land back, but is that realistic?

And at what point do the Russian people and/or the oligarchy surrounding Putin (i.e. everyone except Putin) throw in the towel? What event(s) would it take for the Russians to recognize that their "military exercise" is futile, and that Ukraine will fight to the bitter end?

 

[volgr]

Tell us about your military experience and training to make such estimates about casualties.

And also - just to ask the obvious - when you say "Russia has a huge advantage in training, tactics, equipment, air superiority, and rounds fired each day", would that exact description apply to the United States when we invaded that sliver of a sh*thole country called Vietnam?

Did we win that war, too, @volgr?

Vietnam isn't really comparable to Ukraine. North Vietnamese were pretty battle hardened after roughly 20 years of fighting before we went in. They also knew how to use the jungle to their advantage.

 

[volgr]

60 years old. That doesn't smell of desperation at all.


Try again. And who are the "Allies"? Come on.

Allies would be a hodge podge of Donbas militia groups, Wagner, and I think there may be some other outside mercenaries.

When Russia mobilizes and declares war on Ukraine, let me know. Until then, there is no desperation. There are fighting a NATO proxy war with a fraction of their forces, and winning it quite easily.

 

[volgr]

The Ground Is Shifting in Ukraine

Western specialists are estimating that Russia’s military is approaching what the Prussian theorist of war Carl von Clausewitz called a culminating point — a situation in which the forces of one or both sides are incapable of further strategic offense. They are just sufficient to establish a defensive redoubt, waiting for peace negotiations, and hoping in the meantime to avoid the enemy’s wrath. Peace or defeat.

Wishful thinking or copium, however you want to look at it. I think they are becoming worried that losing Slovyansk and Kramatorsk before winter, is looking likely. Kharkiv as well. Then you will likely see a regrouping to the South as they push toward Odesa.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Wishful thinking or copium, however you want to look at it. I think they are becoming worried that losing Slovyansk and Kramatorsk before winter, is looking likely. Kharkiv as well. Then you will likely see a regrouping to the South as they push toward Odesa.

Oh so now your invading buddies want Kharkiv again? A few months ago (months … on a 3 day war lol) when they got their assess ran out of Kharkiv you indicated they didn’t want it anyway.

 

[evillawyer]

Wishful thinking or copium, however you want to look at it. I think they are becoming worried that losing Slovyansk and Kramatorsk before winter, is looking likely. Kharkiv as well. Then you will likely see a regrouping to the South as they push toward Odesa.

 

[evillawyer]

Life comes at you fast when you're on other peoples' lawns.

 

[volgr]

Oh so now your invading buddies want Kharkiv again? A few months ago (months … on a 3 day war lol) when they got their assess ran out of Kharkiv you indicated they didn’t want it anyway.

I think Kharkiv will eventually be taken, if they want it (which I assume they do). I wouldn't say they had it a couple of months ago. They had a light presence outside the city that fell back to more defendable positions when Ukraine wanted to make a show of force for social media purposes. As I said at the time, there was no strategic purpose to this by Ukraine...you said they were trying to cut Russia's supply lines which I rightly laughed at. Shocker, they were never able to severe those lines. Now, as Russia has increased their forces around Kharkiv, they are back to surrounding the city and bombarding it on the daily.

 

[volgr]

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Velo Vol]

Rogue elements within the Russian security services and resistance fighters who want to overthrow the regime are among the suspects in the Moscow assassination of Darya Dugina, 30.

Fortunately there's a top-notch official investigation which will get to the bottom of this (like they did with the apartment bombings in 1999).