War in Ukraine

[MontyPython]

Russian imperialist sentiment needs to be nipped in the bud.

Ukraine is not Russia. Ukraine is a sovereign country and nothing Putin, the Russian military or any of the Three Stooges here can say or do to change this fact.

It's gonna be a real eye-opener if and when Putin goes full-on draft and some of the more high-brow folks in the motherland begin to have their children shipped back to them in a box. Russian popular support for the war will come to a full-stop, hence Putin's hesitation to date to do this.

Looking forward to giving the Ukrainians increasingly sophisticated weaponry to kill as many Russians invading their country as possible.

Will uncork a bottle of champagne the day dirt takes a dirt nap.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Russian imperialist sentiment needs to be nipped in the bud. It's gonna be a real eye-opener if and when Putin goes full-on draft and some of the richer folks in the motherland have their children shipped back to them in a box.

Looking forward to giving the Ukrainians increasingly sophisticated weaponry to make this happen.

Will uncork a bottle of champagne the day dirt takes a dirt nap.

Actually isn't it the United States and Europe in all these countries fighting? LOL I mean even this war was cause by the U.S. and Europe, right?

This isn't complex, the agreement said that Ukraine would remain neutral, for obvious reasons. The agreement was clearly breached, let them fight. In the end, if this gets much worse.... Europe has a high potential of total economic collapse.

 

[MontyPython]

But its not, none of this had to occur.

At this point, I'm sure Putin is looking at a new end game... total economic collapse of Europe. I'm not going to say its going to happen, it certainly is a possibility as we head closer to Fall.

Its hard to see how this works out for Europe well without submission.

Heh. Submission. Mhhmmm.

And what, pray tell, is gonna cause the "total economic collapse of Europe"?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russian imperialist sentiment needs to be nipped in the bud.

Ukraine is not Russia. Ukraine is a sovereign country and nothing Putin, the Russian military or any of the Three Stooges here can say or do to change this fact.

It's gonna be a real eye-opener if and when Putin goes full-on draft and some of the richer folks in the motherland begin to have their children shipped back to them in a box. Russian popular support for the war will come to a full-stop, hence Putin's hesitation to date to do this.

Looking forward to giving the Ukrainians increasingly sophisticated weaponry to make this happen.

Will uncork a bottle of champagne the day dirt takes a dirt nap.

I think the day the Russian elites start feeling real pain and sending their children to Ukraine is when Putin loses support. Which is why I don’t think it will ever happen. He’s got plenty of cannon fodder in the non Moscovites he can throw into the meat grinder and will continue to morph policy extorting those whom can’t avoid conscription into service in Ukraine. They’ve still got plenty of young people left to throw into the sausage grinder right now. I’m guessing they will expend their equipment due to combat loses and wear and tear before they run out of young kids to grind up

 

[MontyPython]

Actually isn't it the United States and Europe in all these countries fighting? LOL I mean even this war was cause by the U.S. and Europe, right?

This isn't complex, the agreement said that Ukraine would remain neutral, for obvious reasons. The agreement was clearly breached, let them fight. In the end, if this gets much worse.... Europe has a high potential of total economic collapse.

Ummmm.... huh?

What is "this agreement" you refer to, and how was it breached?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Heh. Submission. Mhhmmm.

And what, pray tell, is gonna cause the "total economic collapse of Europe"?

Because modern civilization only works with cheap energy. Duh! What do you think Germany is going to run all their industries off of horse power?

That doesn't mean it will happen, but they're well on their way. Without Germany the rest of Europe sucks.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Actually isn't it the United States and Europe in all these countries fighting? LOL I mean even this war was cause by the U.S. and Europe, right?

This isn't complex, the agreement said that Ukraine would remain neutral, for obvious reasons. The agreement was clearly breached, let them fight. In the end, if this gets much worse.... Europe has a high potential of total economic collapse.

Go read the Budapest Memorandum since you fancy yourself an intellectual Cletus.

We are letting them fight. And by our previous obligations we’re providing the lethal aid we agreed to.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ummmm.... huh?

What is "this agreement" you refer to, and how was it breached?

He’s another Minsk II propagandist while ignoring the Budapest Memorandum I’m guessing.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Ummmm.... huh?

What is "this agreement" you refer to, and how was it breached?

Ukraine: the history behind Russia's claim that Nato promised not to expand to the east

The article actually ends with blaming Putin, but Russia has been warning Ukraine, United States and Europe of the outcome for decades.

Somehow you think Russia is the bad guy, yet, your country really caused this and has been invading countless countries for well over two decades now.

Me, I guess I say stay out of it and let them fight. I see no real U.S. interest, if the U.S. would have stopped the nonsense, I actually don't think Russia would be there... there would be little purpose.

If Europe collapses I'm not going to shed a tear, people around the world will probably be happy as those Europeans have been riding on the coat tails of United States with attacking/invading other countries for decades.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ukraine: the history behind Russia's claim that Nato promised not to expand to the east

The article actually ends with blaming Putin, but Russia has been warning Ukraine, United States and Europe of the outcome for decades.

Somehow you think Russia is the bad guy, yet, your country really caused this and has been invading countless countries for well over two decades now.

UNTC

 

[MontyPython]

Ukraine: the history behind Russia's claim that Nato promised not to expand to the east

The article actually ends with blaming Putin, but Russia has been warning Ukraine, United States and Europe of the outcome for decades.

Somehow you think Russia is the bad guy, yet, your country really caused this and has been invading countless countries for well over two decades now.

(1) You might want to read articles you link. Per the article, there was no agreement about ANY country not joining NATO:

"There was, he said, no promise not to enlarge the alliance, though in the same interview Gorbachev also stated that he thinks that enlargement was a “big mistake” and “a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made” in 1990.

Indeed, the only formal agreement signed between Nato countries and the USSR, before its breakup in December 1991, was the Treaty of Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. The promises made specifically relate to Germany, and the territory of the former GDR, which were on the deployment of non-German Nato forces into eastern Germany and the deployment of nuclear weapons – and these promises have been kept."

(2) Ukraine never joined NATO, so no "agreement" was violated.

 

[NorthDallas40]

(1) You might want to read articles you link. Per the article, there was no agreement about ANY country not joining NATO:

"There was, he said, no promise not to enlarge the alliance, though in the same interview Gorbachev also stated that he thinks that enlargement was a “big mistake” and “a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made” in 1990.

Indeed, the only formal agreement signed between Nato countries and the USSR, before its breakup in December 1991, was the Treaty of Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. The promises made specifically relate to Germany, and the territory of the former GDR, which were on the deployment of non-German Nato forces into eastern Germany and the deployment of nuclear weapons – and these promises have been kept."

(2) Ukraine never joined NATO, so no "agreement" was violated.

Not to mention that Pootin is the best NATO recruiter in the modern era due to his stupidity in Ukraine. Whoopsie!

 

[LSU-SIU]

(1) You might want to read articles you link. Per the article, there was no agreement about ANY country not joining NATO:

"There was, he said, no promise not to enlarge the alliance, though in the same interview Gorbachev also stated that he thinks that enlargement was a “big mistake” and “a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made” in 1990.

Indeed, the only formal agreement signed between Nato countries and the USSR, before its breakup in December 1991, was the Treaty of Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. The promises made specifically relate to Germany, and the territory of the former GDR, which were on the deployment of non-German Nato forces into eastern Germany and the deployment of nuclear weapons – and these promises have been kept."

(2) Ukraine never joined NATO, so no "agreement" was violated.

Russia couldn't wait until they join NATO you dipshit, that is called WWIII which is why they warned them about placing troops there.

Geez this is complex.

So, Russia waits unit Nato expands.... now Russia is attacking a NATO country? The agreement is not expanding... working in good faith is a component of agreements. The Ukraine was actively seeking nuclear weapons which was a huge component of the original agreements.

The United States, Ukraine and Europe were actively over a few decades slowly breaking the agreement(s) in good faith.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia couldn't wait until they join NATO you dipshit, that is called WWIII which is why they warned them about placing troops there.

Geez this is complex.

So, Russia waits unit Nato expands.... now Russia is attacking a NATO country? The agreement is not expanding... working in good faith is a component of agreements.

Apparently it’s too complex for your Cletus. The only expansion of NATO which has occurred because of all this isn’t Ukraine and is a direct result of Pootin’s aggression

 

[MontyPython]

Ukraine: the history behind Russia's claim that Nato promised not to expand to the east

The article actually ends with blaming Putin, but Russia has been warning Ukraine, United States and Europe of the outcome for decades.

Somehow you think Russia is the bad guy, yet, your country really caused this and has been invading countless countries for well over two decades now.

Me, I guess I say stay out of it and let them fight. I see no real U.S. interest, if the U.S. would have stopped the nonsense, I actually don't think Russia would be there... there would be little purpose.

If Europe collapses I'm not going to shed a tear, people around the world will probably be happy as those Europeans have been riding on the coat tails of United States with attacking/invading other countries for decades.

I gather America is not "your country".

Figures.

Those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.

Europe "collapse". Funny stuff from a fuzzy foreigner.

 

[LSU-SIU]

(1) You might want to read articles you link. Per the article, there was no agreement about ANY country not joining NATO:

"There was, he said, no promise not to enlarge the alliance, though in the same interview Gorbachev also stated that he thinks that enlargement was a “big mistake” and “a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made” in 1990.

Indeed, the only formal agreement signed between Nato countries and the USSR, before its breakup in December 1991, was the Treaty of Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. The promises made specifically relate to Germany, and the territory of the former GDR, which were on the deployment of non-German Nato forces into eastern Germany and the deployment of nuclear weapons – and these promises have been kept."

(2) Ukraine never joined NATO, so no "agreement" was violated.

Russia couldn't wait until they join NATO you dipshit, that is called WWIII which is why they warned them about placing troops there.

Geez this isn't complex.

I gather America is not "your country".

Figures.

Those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.

Europe "collapse". Funny stuff from a fuzzy foreigner.

What the **** are you even talking about. LOL

The wack job thinks I've been masquerading as a ******* for 13 years so I could defend my Russian comrades.

Putin is my uncle, he sent me to Louisiana as a little boy... so I can pretend not to be a Russian agent. After living in Louisiana, I joined the U.S. military as a secret Russian agent and finished my degree in Illinois... all the way enjoying NCAA football to make the appearance I'm American. Many years later I use all these things to gain trust for my super duper counter intelligence scam.

Its hard to have a discussion with someone that doesn't understand the component of "good faith" in agreements and contracts.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia couldn't wait until they join NATO you dipshit, that is called WWIII which is why they warned them about placing troops there.
.

Sweden, Finland Move Closer to NATO Membership > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News

 

[MontyPython]

Russia couldn't wait until they join NATO you dipshit, that is called WWIII which is why they warned them about placing troops there.

Geez this is complex.

So, Russia waits unit Nato expands.... now Russia is attacking a NATO country? The agreement is not expanding... working in good faith is a component of agreements. The Ukraine was actively seeking nuclear weapons which was a huge component of the original agreements.

The United States, Ukraine and Europe were actively over a few decades slowly breaking the agreement(s) in good faith.

You are simply ignorant on many fronts.

(1) There was no "agreement" prohibiting potential NATO members from joining. /end

(2) Ukraine was not set to become a NATO member, regardless.

(3) Ukraine had an actual agreement with Russia in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in 1994. Russia then violated the agreement in 2014 by invading Ukraine. Read up on it, Junior: Budapest Memorandum of Assurances.

Your nonsense is annoying. I'm going to the beach.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You are simply ignorant on many fronts.

(1) There was no "agreement".

(2) Ukraine was not set to become a NATO member, regardless.

(3) Ukraine had an actual agreement with Russia in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in 1994. Russia then violated the agreement in 2014 by invading Ukraine. Read up on it, eh: Budapest Memorandum of Assurances.

Oh you’ve done it now

You should encourage him to scroll up to the link I put to it

 

[LSU-SIU]

You are simply ignorant on many fronts.

(2) Ukraine was not set to become a NATO member, regardless.

No, they and Europe/U.S. were actively moving that direction, including but not limited to equipment, weapons and supplies. The Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons as well.

Either way, LET THEM FIGHT. If they take Europe with them good at this point, there is only one way to learn for some. The hard way.

 

[NorthDallas40]

No, they and Europe/U.S. were actively moving that direction, including but not limited to equipment, weapons and supplies. The Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons as well.

Either way, LET THEM FIGHT. If they take Europe with them good at this point, there is only one way to learn for some. The hard way.

Read it you illiterate uninformed rube!

UNTC

 

[LSU-SIU]

You are simply ignorant on many fronts.

(2) Ukraine was not set to become a NATO member, regardless.

No, they and Europe/U.S. were actively moving that direction, including but not limited to equipment and supplies. The Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons as well.

Either way, LET THEM FIGHT. If they take Europe with them good at this point, there is only one way to learn for some. The hard way.

Ukraine President Signs Constitutional Amendment On NATO, EU Membership

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has signed a constitutional amendment committing the country to becoming a member of NATO and the European Union.

Addressing parliament on February 19, Poroshenko said he saw securing Ukraine's membership in NATO and the EU as his "strategic mission."

Ukraine should "submit a request for EU membership and receive a NATO membership action plan no later than 2023," the president told the Verkhovna Rada.

I planted that article back in 2019 just for this day. Us ******* Russians are smart as hell we're from the future.

What’s Ukraine’s history of trying to join NATO?

Ukraine first publicly expressed interest in joining NATO in 2002, said Pifer, who was the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 1998 to 2000.

Russia has publicly said what the problem(s) were since the late 90s early 2000s.

The United States doesn't give to ***** about the Ukraine, they're a toy to be used. Let's say you guys are correct, Russia bad, Putin bad... they invade Ukraine for absolutely no valid reason... so what? The United States/Europe attack, invade and kill for no real reason that I can see all the time.

But even more so than that... it would seem like Russia has gained significant risk/reward against Europe and they could in theory take down the whole thing. This didn't need to happen, if Europe feels like it did... well, enjoy eating dirt and gathering the firewood.

On the present course this is not going to end well for Europe, there is no good outcome for the Ukraine.... just like like every other place the U.S. has used as a pawn.

 

[NorthDallas40]

No, they and Europe/U.S. were actively moving that direction, including but not limited to equipment and supplies. The Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons as well.

Either way, LET THEM FIGHT. If they take Europe with them good at this point, there is only one way to learn for some. The hard way.

Ukraine President Signs Constitutional Amendment On NATO, EU Membership



I planted that article back in 2019 just for this day. Us ******* Russians are smart as hell we're from the future.

Why care about Ukraine and the Budapest Memorandum

In the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the United States, Russia, and Britain committed “to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” and “to refrain from the threat or use of force” against the country. Those assurances played a key role in persuading the Ukrainian government in Kyiv to give up what amounted to the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal, consisting of some 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads.

…

Unfortunately, Russia has broken virtually all the commitments it undertook in that document. It used military force to seize, and then illegally annex, Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in early 2014. Russian and Russian proxy forces have waged war for more than five years in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donbas, claiming more than 13,000 lives and driving some two million people from their homes.

…

U.S. officials did assure their Ukrainian counterparts, however, that there would be a response. The United States should continue to provide reform and military assistance to Ukraine. It should continue sanctions on Russia. It should continue to demand that Moscow end its aggression against Ukraine. And it should continue to urge its European partners to assist Kyiv and keep the sanctions pressure on the Kremlin.

Washington should do this, because it said it would act if Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum. That was part of the price it paid in return for a drastic reduction in the nuclear threat to America. The United States should keep its word.

 

[Velo Vol]

#WesternDeathCult

 

[norrislakevol]

Russia couldn't wait until they join NATO you dipshit, that is called WWIII which is why they warned them about placing troops there.

Geez this isn't complex.





What the **** are you even talking about. LOL

The wack job thinks I've been masquerading as a ******* for 13 years so I could defend my Russian comrades.

Putin is my uncle, he sent me to Louisiana as a little boy... so I can pretend not to be a Russian agent. After living in Louisiana, I joined the U.S. military as a secret Russian agent and finished my degree in Illinois... all the way enjoying NCAA football to make the appearance I'm American. Many years later I use all these things to gain trust for my super duper counter intelligence scam.

Its hard to have a discussion with someone that doesn't understand the component of "good faith" in agreements and contracts.

Wait now, Finland is joining NATO. Don't think they would have done that had Putin not invaded Ukraine. They have quite a long border with Russia, around 800 miles. Seems as if Putin cut off his nose here to spite his face.