War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Wait now, Finland is joining NATO. Don't think they would have done that had Putin not invaded Ukraine. They have quite a long border with Russia, around 800 miles. Seems as if Putin cut off his nose here to spite his face.

Don’t forget Sweden! Pootin for NATO recruiter of the century!

 

[LSU-SIU]

Wait now, Finland is joining NATO. Don't think they would have done that had Putin not invaded Ukraine. They have quite a long border with Russia, around 800 miles. Seems as if Putin cut off his nose here to spite his face.

So what? What does that even mean.

I mean at the end of the day, its a risk/reward.

Russia losses:
- 10s of thousands of troops death or injuried
- thousand of military vehicles destroyed
- some limited strikes in homeland

vs.

Russia gains:
- pretty much complete destruction of the Ukraine economy
- significant destruction of military ability to attack Russia homeland from Ukraine
- additional territory seized
- secure Black Sea
- huge revenue gains from historic inflation on raw materials they supply
- potential to collapse all of europe
- new and renewed alliance with other countries

This continues on this same course for too much longer... how long before they have to just shut Europe down.

The world goes around with a global credit system and cheap energy. There isn't much Putin can do if Cuba wants to join Nato or Finland, none of this is very complex.

I was pretty surprised to find out people were surprised that Russia might attack the Ukraine... they've only been warning about it for a few decades.

There really isn't anything complex about this.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Only a moron would refuse to believe the score at this point. The whole point of a neutral Ukraine was that Russia couldn't militarily compete against basically the United State and Europe if tanks were rolled into the Ukraine, this would allow a buffer zone to deploy tactical nuclear not on Russia soil. What you are confirming is Putin was/is right. As far as what is really going on its. Russia vs. United States, but the United States has no direct real skin in the game. The Ukraine and Europe are the lambs for the United States or the suckers.

I would say its very possible all of Europe collapses without a single shot fired by Russia at a NATO country within a very short period of time. Exactly who do you think is winning this, at this point?

You think Germany and the rest of Europe is going to survive with the cost of energy if it were to double again? I would say that is very suspect.


Russia loses 10,000s of thousands of soldiers, hundreds or a thousand of vehicles, and a few ships

vs.

Ukraine destroyed, their military blown up to some degree with a major of their defense heavily impacted or destroyed, and the possibility of a total collapse of Europe

-----> The risk vs. reward is off the charts on this. <------

Lol. Oh..you're serious?

You're right though the risk versus reward is off the charts, in a great way! Almost zero risk to the USA. We give our surplus weapons to a country willing to go toe to toe with Russia, watch Russia get exposed as a paper tiger, watch their economy take it in the shorts, watch them become a world pariah, and watch them slowly become combat ineffective.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol. Oh..you're serious?

You're right though the risk versus reward is off the charts, in a great way! Almost zero risk to the USA. We give our surplus weapons to a country willing to go toe to toe with Russia, watch Russia get exposed as a paper tiger, watch their economy take it in the shorts, watch them become a world pariah, and watch them slowly become combat ineffective.

No no no. We all must give Pootin what he wants. Because… EUROPE!

 

[FLVOL_79]

So what? What does that even mean.

I mean at the end of the day, its a risk/reward.

Russia losses:
- 10s of thousands of troops death or injuried
- thousand of military vehicles destroyed
- some limited strikes in homeland

vs.

Russia gains:
- pretty much complete destruction of the Ukraine economy
- significant destruction of military ability to attack Russia homeland from Ukraine
- additional territory seized
- secure Black Sea
- huge revenue gains from historic inflation on raw materials they supply
- potential to collapse all of europe
- new and renewed alliance with other countries

This continues on this same course for too much longer... how long before they have to just shut Europe down.

The world goes around with a global credit system and cheap energy. There isn't much Putin can do if Cuba wants to join Nato or Finland, none of this is very complex.

I was pretty surprised to find out people were surprised that Russia might attack the Ukraine... they've only been warning about it for a few decades.

There really isn't anything complex about this.

Outside of small bits of territory the mostly held before this war Russians gains are minimal if not mostly non existent. Remember, Ukraine was supposed to be gone by March and the world wasn't supposed to care.

Also, your Russian economy comments are obviously biased towards just a FEW major cities in Russia.

Whats 150 feet long and only eats potato's?

Spoiler

A queue of Russians trying to get into a grocery store

 

[norrislakevol]

So what? What does that even mean.

I mean at the end of the day, its a risk/reward.

Russia losses:
- 10s of thousands of troops death or injuried
- thousand of military vehicles destroyed
- some limited strikes in homeland

vs.

Russia gains:
- pretty much complete destruction of the Ukraine economy
- significant destruction of military ability to attack Russia homeland from Ukraine
- additional territory seized
- secure Black Sea
- huge revenue gains from historic inflation on raw materials they supply
- potential to collapse all of europe

This continues on this same course for too much longer... how long before they have to just shut Europe down.

The world goes around with a global credit system and cheap energy.

There isn't much Putin can do if Cuba wants to join Nato or Finland.

It means that was one of Putins main talking points was the fear of having NATO bordering Russia, and now because of his actions he has caused just that to happen.

It's most definitely risk and reward. There is also a risk that when this is over (Russia won't be able to take the Ukrainian mainland) that Ukraine builds a massive army in the years to come and arms themselves to the teeth, even securing long range missile systems. Also, if Europe does go into economic meltdown then that doesn't necessarily help Russia. Did Russia let enough Ukrainian grain get out to stave off big food supply issues in certain places of the world? If they didn't, that will turn even more people against them.

Of course, we are staring down the barrel of a big global recession with our issues here and China's impeding collapse. Could China hit Taiwan if the start to collapse economically? I think so. It's one big sh!t sandwich, and were all gonna have to take a bite I am afraid. Save your cash and get ready to buy stocks when they are dirt cheap!

 

[LSU-SIU]

Lol. Oh..you're serious?

You're right though the risk versus reward is off the charts, in a great way! Almost zero risk to the USA. We give our surplus weapons to a country willing to go toe to toe with Russia, watch Russia get exposed as a paper tiger, watch their economy take it in the shorts, watch them become a world pariah, and watch them slowly become combat ineffective.

You keep saying this "paper tiger" thing but that is the reason why Russia is there. If they weren't a paper tiger they wouldn't be there. That's the whole purpose of the Ukraine.

The war is United States vs. Russia, with Europe being the battlefield.... the Ukraine is already the biggest loser.... there isn't much for Russia to lose but lots to gain. There isn't much for United States to lose directly but there really isn't much to gain.

Basically, all action has resulted in gains to Russia. Germans better learn to cut firewood and eat dirt. Europe looks like they will be first on the block for depopulation.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You keep saying this "paper tiger" thing but that is the reason why Russia is there. If they weren't a paper tiger they wouldn't be there. That's the whole purpose of the Ukraine.

The war is United States vs. Russia, with Europe being the battlefield.... the Ukraine is already the biggest loser.... there isn't much for Russia to lose but lots to gain. There isn't much for United States to lose directly but there really isn't much to gain.

Basically, all action has resulted in gains to Russia. Germans better learn to cut firewood and eat dirt. Europe looks like they will be first on the block for depopulation.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It means that was one of Putins main talking points was the fear of having NATO bordering Russia, and now because of his actions he has caused just that to happen.

It's most definitely risk and reward. There is also a risk that when this is over (Russia won't be able to take the Ukrainian mainland) that Ukraine builds a massive army in the years to come and arms themselves to the teeth, even securing long range missile systems. Also, if Europe does go into economic meltdown then that doesn't necessarily help Russia. Did Russia let enough Ukrainian grain get out to stave off big food supply issues in certain places of the world? If they didn't, that will turn even more people against them.

Of course, we are staring down the barrel of a big global recession with our issues here and China's impeding collapse. Could China hit Taiwan if the start to collapse economically? I think so. It's one big sh!t sandwich, and were all gonna have to take a bite I am afraid. Save your cash and get ready to buy stocks when they are dirt cheap!

At this point I would imagine Putin's end goal has changed. Probably went from securing Ukraine to just economically collapse Europe, potentially if needed take down the federal reserve system.

Escalation:

1. Ukraine
2. Europe
3. Global reset.

I feel Russia has made it clear they're not going to allow what happen in WW2 to happen again, they might get nuked... but they're not going to be invaded.

If we take all the worlds problems and strangeness.... isn't all this leading to reset?

The Ukraine is meaningless, nobody really cares but its pretty clear now that United States has let the Europeans out to dry.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I love this guys logic. We must appease Pootin and give him what he wants… because Russia is a military paper tiger.

 

[norrislakevol]

At this point I would imagine Putin's end goal has changed. Probably went from securing Ukraine to just economically collapse Europe, potentially if needed take down the federal reserve system.

Escalation:

1. Ukraine
2. Europe
3. Global reset.

I feel Russia has made it clear they're not going to allow what happen in WW2 to happen again, they might get nuked... but they're not going to be invaded.

If we take all the worlds problems and strangeness.... isn't all this leading to reset?

The Ukraine is meaningless, nobody really cares but its pretty clear now that United States has let the Europeans out to dry.

That's what many leftists want for sure. Cloward and Piven strategy.

 

[LSU-SIU]

That's what many leftists want for sure. Cloward and Piven strategy.

Yeah, I mean even if we exclude the Ukraine that is where all these roads seem to lead.

Europe/United State pushing Putin and its like... do you want the express lane to reset. Ukraine is irrelevant and is toast, Europe is on deck. There is no good outcome to Ukraine, and most of the paths for Europe look pretty bleak. To me it looks like Europe is being setup for point of entry of reset, it might be too late to reverse any of this to have any real impact.

I was hoping we could delay all this until I die of old age, I don't think that is going to happen. Sooner rather than later.

There is no good to come from all this... I wonder when the final conclusion happens they think it was worth it.

This isn't the hill you die on, imo. These people still don't want to accept that others (China/Russia/India/etc) control large section of the board, and there really isn't anything the can do about it... its quite bizarre. China could blow up the United States without firing a bullet or missile... just disconnect from the Federal Reserve System and the whole global system goes pufff. Of course, they are blowing themselves up at the same time... weapons are no longer the primary ways of war between large countries. Those days are basically over unless complete planet destruction is on tap.

The only thing that Ukraine can win at this point is a big pile of rubble, it sucks being the pawn... but the pawns never seem to learn.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yeah, I mean even if we exclude the Ukraine that is where all these roads seem to lead.

Europe/United State pushing Putin and its like... do you want the express lane to reset. Ukraine is irrelevant and is toast, Europe is on deck. There is no good outcome to Ukraine, and most of the paths for Europe look pretty bleak. To me it looks like Europe is being setup for point of entry of reset, it might be too late to reverse any of this to have any real impact.

I was hoping we could delay all this until I die of old age, I don't think that is going to happen. Sooner rather than later.

There is no good to come from all this... I wonder when the final conclusion happens they think it was worth it.

This isn't the hill you die on, imo. These people still don't want to accept that others (China/Russia/India/etc) control large section of the board, and there really isn't anything the can do about it... its quite bizarre. China could blow up the United States without firing a bullet or missile... just disconnect from the Federal Reserve System and the whole global system goes pufff. Of course, they are blowing themselves up at the same time... weapons are no longer the primary ways of war between large countries. Those days are basically over unless complete planet destruction is on tap.

So to summarize your blathering in an image this morning…

 

[Hunerwadel]

Because modern civilization only works with cheap energy. Duh! What do you think Germany is going to run all their industries off of horse power?

That doesn't mean it will happen, but they're well on their way. Without Germany the rest of Europe sucks.

Except for a few countries modern civilization hasn't had available cheap energy since the 60s.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Except for a few countries modern civilization hasn't hat available cheap energy since the 60s.

No no no. This is some Pootin 4d chess. You see Pootin knows Russia is a paper tiger so he invaded Ukraine after months of buildup and his prior efforts of walking into Crimea mean nothing and didn’t factor into his planning. So this was all about Russia invading and knowing it was going to be a long drawn out conflict and result in Russia being isolated from the world economy and suiciding their own economy because… the end goal is to really hurt Europes economy and facilitate the “great reset”. It’s explained in a more straight forward picture I dropped a couple of posts above.

 

[FLVOL_79]

You keep saying this "paper tiger" thing but that is the reason why Russia is there. If they weren't a paper tiger they wouldn't be there. That's the whole purpose of the Ukraine.

The war is United States vs. Russia, with Europe being the battlefield.... the Ukraine is already the biggest loser.... there isn't much for Russia to lose but lots to gain. There isn't much for United States to lose directly but there really isn't much to gain.

Basically, all action has resulted in gains to Russia. Germans better learn to cut firewood and eat dirt. Europe looks like they will be first on the block for depopulation.

I'll have what you're smoking bro.

Pray tell, what websites do you get your information from to form this anti American pro Russian opinion?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'll have what you're smoking bro.

Pray tell, what websites do you get your information from to form this anti American pro Russian opinion?

I’d wave off. It clearly causes dain bramage.

 

[FLVOL_79]

At this point I would imagine Putin's end goal has changed. Probably went from securing Ukraine to just economically collapse Europe, potentially if needed take down the federal reserve system.

Escalation:

1. Ukraine
2. Europe
3. Global reset.

I feel Russia has made it clear they're not going to allow what happen in WW2 to happen again, they might get nuked... but they're not going to be invaded.

If we take all the worlds problems and strangeness.... isn't all this leading to reset?

The Ukraine is meaningless, nobody really cares but its pretty clear now that United States has let the Europeans out to dry.

Literally no one wants to invade Russia. Its a sh!thole.

 

[MontyPython]

I love this guys logic. We must appease Pootin and give him what he wants… because Russia is a military paper tiger.

There is no logic in his posts. Nada. Putting him on ignore. Just a blithering idiot.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russian Corporate Profits Jump 25% as Sanctions Hit Muted

 

[volgr]

Go read the Budapest Memorandum since you fancy yourself an intellectual Cletus.

We are letting them fight. And by our previous obligations we’re providing the lethal aid we agreed to.

Ohh boy, back to this nonsense. You've already been proven wrong on this. There were no new obligations in the BM.

 

[volgr]

I think the day the Russian elites start feeling real pain and sending their children to Ukraine is when Putin loses support.

Most of Russia is not only behind the SMO in Ukraine but many want Putin to be MORE aggressive than he has been.

 

[volgr]

(1) You might want to read articles you link. Per the article, there was no agreement about ANY country not joining NATO:

"There was, he said, no promise not to enlarge the alliance, though in the same interview Gorbachev also stated that he thinks that enlargement was a “big mistake” and “a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made” in 1990.

Indeed, the only formal agreement signed between Nato countries and the USSR, before its breakup in December 1991, was the Treaty of Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. The promises made specifically relate to Germany, and the territory of the former GDR, which were on the deployment of non-German Nato forces into eastern Germany and the deployment of nuclear weapons – and these promises have been kept."

(2) Ukraine never joined NATO, so no "agreement" was violated.

Trusting the Western Death Cult is never a good idea. Russia and much of the World now knows they cant trust the West. Our foreign policy the last 50 years has been a total and complete disaster.

 

[apevol]

Russian Corporate Profits Jump 25% as Sanctions Hit Muted

View attachment 484524

View attachment 484523

glad to see you back man

 

[volgr]

Yeah, I mean even if we exclude the Ukraine that is where all these roads seem to lead.

Europe/United State pushing Putin and its like... do you want the express lane to reset. Ukraine is irrelevant and is toast, Europe is on deck. There is no good outcome to Ukraine, and most of the paths for Europe look pretty bleak. To me it looks like Europe is being setup for point of entry of reset, it might be too late to reverse any of this to have any real impact.

I was hoping we could delay all this until I die of old age, I don't think that is going to happen. Sooner rather than later.

There is no good to come from all this... I wonder when the final conclusion happens they think it was worth it.

This isn't the hill you die on, imo. These people still don't want to accept that others (China/Russia/India/etc) control large section of the board, and there really isn't anything the can do about it... its quite bizarre. China could blow up the United States without firing a bullet or missile... just disconnect from the Federal Reserve System and the whole global system goes pufff. Of course, they are blowing themselves up at the same time... weapons are no longer the primary ways of war between large countries. Those days are basically over unless complete planet destruction is on tap.

The only thing that Ukraine can win at this point is a big pile of rubble, it sucks being the pawn... but the pawns never seem to learn.

You can't talk reasonably with most in this thread. They dont live in reality. They circle jerk over Ukrainian propaganda on the daily. It's pathetic.