War in Ukraine

[LSU-SIU]

Let me know how you will feel if Mexico did something similar to Texas Ras.

I think they already did. They've been sending those invaders over at an accelerated rate.

 

[Septic]

Explain to me how a peaceful democratic exercise is an escalation of war.

Because it's not a democratic exercise to steal land, install puppets and call it a peaceful or democratic or to shoehorn it in because they're about to lose the stolen territory.

Anyone who thinks this is anything but a sham is ducking fumb.

 

[Septic]

They have historically been Russian lands since the days of Catherine the Great. Now they are simply engaging in a democratic process to make it official. This seems like a peaceful resolution and don't understand how this is seen as escalating war.

At least you've managed to move away from trying to convince us this is about NATO.

You don't understand a lot, so you not understanding this isn't shocking.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because it's not a democratic exercise to steal land, install puppets and call it a peaceful or democratic or to shoehorn it in because they're about to lose the stolen territory.

Anyone who thinks this is anything but a sham is ducking fumb.

Rreferendum isn't a democratic exercise? You are a clown.

 

[Burhead]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

At least you've managed to move away from trying to convince us this is about NATO.

You don't understand a lot, so you not understanding this isn't shocking.

How is it not about NATO? How did you reach that conclusion?

 

[Burhead]

Rreferendum isn't a democratic exercise? You are a clown.

Not when its being held under armed occupation.

 

[USF grad in TN]

Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war

The Turkish leader indicated things were "quite problematic" for Russia.

However, Russia has not given any indication that it is prepared to accept Kyiv's demands for a full withdrawal from Ukrainian territory, including areas seized in 2014.

Asked by PBS whether Russia should be allowed to keep any territory it had taken since February, and whether that should be part of a peace deal, Mr Erdogan said: "No, and undoubtedly no."

He also said that "lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine". It was not clear whether he also included territory held by Russian-backed separatists since 2014.

Asked whether Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea - which it annexed in 2014 - Mr Erdogan said that since then, Turkey had been talking to Mr Putin about returning the peninsula "to its rightful owners" but that no progress had been made.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Nice twitter handle... we see where their agenda wants to lead us.

 

[825VOL]

Also Ukrainian officials are saying if these votes go forward there will be no diplomatic answer to this war.

There was never going to be a diplomatic solution to this war. This war will end with either the defeat of the Russian army or the destruction of Ukraine- maybe both.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not when its being held under armed occupation.

So the Afghanistan and Iraqi voting that occured after we liberated them are null and void also.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not when its being held under armed occupation.

Or for that matter, any election in Japan or Germany after WWII is illegitimate.

 

[Burhead]

So the Afghanistan and Iraqi voting that occured after we liberated them are null and void also.
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Or for that matter, any election in Japan or Germany after WWII is illegitimate.

You're too smart to do this Ras. We didn't organize sham votes to annex sovereign lands in those countries like the Russians will shortly be doing AGAIN.

 

[USF grad in TN]

So the Afghanistan and Iraqi voting that occured after we liberated them are null and void also.
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How do they count the votes of the millions of people who were forcibly driven from their homes?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war

The Turkish leader indicated things were "quite problematic" for Russia.

However, Russia has not given any indication that it is prepared to accept Kyiv's demands for a full withdrawal from Ukrainian territory, including areas seized in 2014.

Asked by PBS whether Russia should be allowed to keep any territory it had taken since February, and whether that should be part of a peace deal, Mr Erdogan said: "No, and undoubtedly no."

He also said that "lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine". It was not clear whether he also included territory held by Russian-backed separatists since 2014.

Asked whether Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea - which it annexed in 2014 - Mr Erdogan said that since then, Turkey had been talking to Mr Putin about returning the peninsula "to its rightful owners" but that no progress had been made.

A full withdrawal is not realistic. They need to right now accept the independence of Donbas, Kherson and Zaparozhzhia before the terms change more if they continue further.

 

[Septic]

Rreferendum isn't a democratic exercise? You are a clown.

At gunpoint in a war zone, shoehorned in before the russian puppets they installed flee?

Yes, I'm the clown.

 

[LouderVol]

So the Afghanistan and Iraqi voting that occured after we liberated them are null and void also.
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I would definitely say the Afghani ones are. And probably most of the Iraqi ones to considering how it worked out. Maybe something to consider for Russia. You better be ready to militarily occupy and control that territory for at least the next 20 years. Cause once they are gone their house of cards fall apart.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You're too smart to do this Ras. We didn't organize sham votes to annex sovereign lands in those countries like the Russians will shortly be doing AGAIN.

How are they sham elections? We already know that Luhansk and Donetsk held referendums on their own a few weeks after the coup in 2014 and Putin rejected their referendums because his desire back then was to push for implementation of the Minsk ceasefire agreements. They've already been down this road before.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

At gunpoint in a war zone, shoehorned in before the russian puppets they installed flee?

Yes, I'm the clown.

They are not being forced to do anything. Stop it.

 

[LouderVol]

Or for that matter, any election in Japan or Germany after WWII is illegitimate.

How many of those votes were to give us even more power than we held? And considering our military has never had to enforce any laws or done anything beyond occupy some bases in those countries it's not the same stratosphere as what the Russians are doing. Especially to the point of forcing them to fight for us or using it as justification to nuke someone.

 

[Septic]

How is it not about NATO? How did you reach that conclusion?

Because you were trying to convince us the land was owed to Russia because it's "historically been Russias," pretty sure you floated something about Catharine the Great to emphasize that point.

How you tie that to NATO on the doorstep is beyond me. Just to be clear, how do you solve the problem of them STILL being on NATOs doorstep if they actually managed to steal Ukraine? Where does it end?

It's hard watching you fall flat on your face in this thread day after day.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How do they count the votes of the millions of people who were forcibly driven from their homes?

Luhansk and Donetsk had the same referendums in 2014 before millions left this past February and they voted to be independent even back then. So what was the excuse then?

 

[Septic]

They are not being forced to do anything. Stop it.

Honestly, you're probably right - no ones being forced to vote because the results from the "referendum" from this coming Friday are already in an envelope on pootins desk.

I didn't think you'd be this obtuse, but you are setting new lows every day.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because you were trying to convince us the land was owed to Russia because it's "historically been Russias," pretty sure you floated something about Catharine the Great to emphasize that point.

How you tie that to NATO on the doorstep is beyond me. Just to be clear, how do you solve the problem of them STILL being on NATOs doorstep if they actually managed to steal Ukraine? Where does it end?

It's hard watching you fall flat on your face in this thread day after day.

All of this started by 25+ years of NATO encroachment and the Obama State Department's coup in 2014. Those were the catalysts. And NATO has been pouring gasoline on the fire since 2014.