War in Ukraine

[tvolsfan]

Funny I find the Euro Zone to be going back to 1980s USSR. LoL

Yeah, that’s a you problem.

 

[hog88]

Yeah, they're not "conquesting" they are simply "guarding" the oilfields. LoL

I'm glad we agree on something.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ok strictly on the basis of logic, I declared that I do not support Putin (or war in general), so your statement of the opposite is a strawman. You’ve also committed a false choice fallacy in erroneously limit the number of possible positions on the issue to anti or pro Putin. I don’t know that it will bother you, but I don’t very much appreciate you mischaracterizing what I’ve said.

Your post history speaks for itself. You are mischaracterizing your own posts. And your logic complaint is total illogical crap

 

[bcmbvol]

He would control and dictate every move Ukraine and it's citizens make. He would rob them blind just like he has done with his own country.

To speak specifically to the issue of slavery, most Ukrainians that I spoke to considered us slaves. Regardless of whether they were for the west or not. The two things they always brought up were foreign policy/imperialism, and that we all had debt. Most are Orthodox which has a prohibition or at least discourages the use of usury.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm glad we agree on something.

Yeah taking oil isn't conquesting, they are just there to help the Syrian government with taking that oil off their hands.

My advice to foreigners is pretty simple, you see American troops.... you do one of two things.... 1.) kill them or 2.) run They ain't there to help you.

 

[bcmbvol]

Your post history speaks for itself. You are mischaracterizing your own posts. And your logic complaint is total illogical crap

I cited actual logical fallacies, and applied them correctly. You’re welcome to go look them up. Inferences are reasonable in a discussion when no statements to the contrary have been made.

 

[tvolsfan]

To speak specifically to the issue of slavery, most Ukrainians that I spoke to considered us slaves. Regardless of whether they were for the west or not. The two things they always brought up were foreign policy/imperialism, and that we all had debt. Most are Orthodox which has a prohibition or at least discourages the use of usury.

You can bring up all the anecdotal evidence you want, but that doesn’t change the reality we clearly see in the Ukrainian people. If they didn’t want to resist Russia, no amount of western weapons would have kept Russia from taking Kyiv.

 

[hog88]

To speak specifically to the issue of slavery, most Ukrainians that I spoke to considered us slaves. Regardless of whether they were for the west or not. The two things they always brought up were foreign policy/imperialism, and that we all had debt. Most are Orthodox which has a prohibition or at least discourages the use of usury.

Much of our slavery is self imposed through debt we decide to accumulate. Here I can at least pay off my debt and go just about wherever and do whatever I choose. Not really the case in mother Russia.

 

[hog88]

You can bring up all the anecdotal evidence you want, but that doesn’t change the reality we clearly see in the Ukrainian people. If they didn’t want to resist Russia, no amount of western weapons would have kept Russia from taking Kyiv.

^^This! If the Ukrainian people wanted to be part of Russia they wouldn't be dying to stop them.

 

[LSU-SIU]

^^This! If the Ukrainian people wanted to be part of Russia they wouldn't be dying to stop them.

If the people in the areas that were already fighting the Ukraine wanted to be a part of the Ukraine... they wouldn't be dying to stop them.

You just seemed to prove Russia's point.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Much of our slavery is self imposed through debt we decide to accumulate. Here I can at least pay off my debt and go just about wherever and do whatever I choose. Not really the case in mother Russia.

No, we're not talking personal debt we are talking global banking as well. Unless you want to live like the Little House on the Prairie you have to deal with the nonsense of the United States i.e. slave master.

Let'em fight.

 

[evillawyer]

Great job, Putin. You made Mongolia into a tourist destination.

 

[bcmbvol]

^^This! If the Ukrainian people wanted to be part of Russia they wouldn't be dying to stop them.

This is also false witness of what I said. I did not say that all Ukrainians wanted to be Russian, only those in the east. I said the ones in Kiev and west roughly speaking were resigned to the fact that it could happen. In the 80’s there was a suicide prevention program that was ended because it caused sympathetic suicide. If people are indifferent about something, they can be influenced to do almost anything.

 

[tvolsfan]

If the people in the areas that were already fighting the Ukraine wanted to be a part of the Ukraine... they wouldn't be dying to stop them.

You just seemed to prove Russia's point.

Yeah, it was different. Because it was their own country.

Bet that sounded clever in your head, though.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Yeah, it was different. Because it was their own country.

But those people don't think its their country. LoL

 

[tvolsfan]

But those people don't think its their country. LoL

Tough ****. Every region of Ukraine voted for independence during the fall of Communism. If anyone wanted to live in Russia, they should have moved.

 

[hog88]

If the people in the areas that were already fighting the Ukraine wanted to be a part of the Ukraine... they wouldn't be dying to stop them.

You just seemed to prove Russia's point.

No, I fully support anyones right to rebel against their government. I respect their determination and the sacrifice they are willing to make because we all know that doing so is going to bring a rapid and violent response. They wanted to change their government, not be part of Russia.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Tough ****. Every region of Ukraine voted to be part of the country after the fall of Communism. If anyone wanted to live in Russia, they should have moved.

Tough ****, the Ukraine agreed to terms and now Russia can move as if there were no agreements. -signed Russia

 

[hog88]

This is also false witness of what I said. I did not say that all Ukrainians wanted to be Russian, only those in the east. I said the ones in Kiev and west roughly speaking were resigned to the fact that it could happen. In the 80’s there was a suicide prevention program that was ended because it caused sympathetic suicide. If people are indifferent about something, they can be influenced to do almost anything.

If they wanted to be Russian why didn't they move? If I wanted to be Canadian I wouldn't start killing my neighbors that didn't want to be, I would simply move.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No, I fully support anyones right to rebel against their government. I respect their determination and the sacrifice they are willing to make because we all know that doing so is going to bring a rapid and violent response. They wanted to change their government, not be part of Russia.

The problem is all of you guys are talking in generalizations, we really don't know how many want to do this or that. But by the logic you put in your post is that they don't want to be a part of the Ukraine or they wouldn't be fighting.

Hence, let everyone fight.

 

[LSU-SIU]

If they wanted to be Russian why didn't they move? If I wanted to be Canadian I wouldn't start killing my neighbors that didn't want to be, I would simply move.

So, if the Colonist didn't want to be under the rule of King George, they should have moved?

 

[hog88]

The problem is all of you guys are talking in generalizations, we really don't know how many want to do this or that. But by the logic you put in your post is that they don't want to be a part of the Ukraine or they wouldn't be fighting.

Hence, let everyone fight.

They did fight and if not for Russian interference they would have lost long ago and people wouldn't be dying.

 

[hog88]

So, if the Colonist didn't want to be under the rule of King George, they should have moved?

No, they fought. The difference is they won, thank goodness.

 

[LSU-SIU]

They did fight and if not for Russian interference they would have lost long ago and people wouldn't be dying.

And the same could be said of all Ukraine without the United States interference. You are again proving the point of Russia.

You are horrible at this.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No, they fought. The difference is they won, thank goodness.

So, now... these people can fight now. LoL You really aren't making much sense.

Let'em all fight. LoL