War in Ukraine

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NorthDallas40 said:
Who wakes up one day and says “you know what? Pootin seems like a trust worthy guy let’s make ourselves totally reliant on him for our country’s energy needs”? 🤷‍♂️
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Agreed. Europe has a huge share of blame in this for not seeing what everyone else saw. That Putin was going to use it hold them over a barrel.
 
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There are equally plausible arguments, via motivations, for both the US and Russia.

The strongest asymmetrical argument would be for the US. From a pure capabilities perspective, the US is way more likely to have technology, assets, and knowhow to pull this off seamlessly. The capabilities argument grows stronger every day given the ****show of Russian military capabilities currently on display in Ukraine. It would be a much easier sell if this happened on February 24th.

On the other hand, if Russia was able to pull this off, NATO should have a mountain of easily verifiable evidence. NATO not having a mountain of intelligence would be even more concerning than Russian capabilities for the West.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They were leading the way in stopping the Ukrainians from negotiating a deal back in April and have been one of the most hardcore with regards to Russian sanctions. Lastly, the British have nearly 200 years of history behind them where they have gone against Russia for various reasons.

I put the UK at the top of the list ahead of the US. I don't think even the US would be that provocative because all fingers would look at either them or Russia.
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Wishful thinking. Our corrupt regime doesnt care how obvious it is. Of course it was the US.
 
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Electric Orange said:
What would be an appropriate source in this situation?
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That can be difficult to pick. A known liar is an easy one to stay away from. I like several news outlets but I will stay away from proven liar "reporters." I don't understand why some of you struggle with this. By continually following a known liar, as a individual contributor, you just show you really don't give a **** what any source says as long as you agree with it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I'm just waiting on the dirty bomb attack at this point, we're so far past the point of no return... not sure what else they can do but just keep going.
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I think the US & UK will definitely go this route, but I think the US will allow the UK to be their proxy when it comes down to that decision. Liz Truss (or Boris Johnson for that matter) dumb enough to follow American orders to do so. That would have fed into Johnson's ego to be the next Churchill and this now feeds into Truss' ego to be the next Thatcher. Meanwhile, the US would have plausible deniability at the end of the day.
 
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