War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
So are you trying to say companies such as Cargill haven't benefited in any way from doing business in Ukraine?

And yes Zelensky is a fascist.
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They lease or invest in land-holding companies "to benefit"; WTH are you thinking with that question?
That is a far cry from "Monsanto owning 20% of Ukraine farmland" by any measurement. Good grief.

"Fascist....fascist"....you guys are no different than the U.S. left in your Chicken Little Nazi smears.
 
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NCFisher said:
They lease or invest in land-holding companies "to benefit"; WTH are you thinking with that question?
That is a far cry from "Monsanto owning 20% of Ukraine farmland" by any measurement. Good grief.

"Fascist....fascist"....you guys are no different than the U.S. left in your Chicken Little Nazi smears.
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You still failed to answer the question. Is Cargill benefiting or not from doing business in Ukraine? It's a simple yes or no question.

And you guys are no different than democrats in the fact that you all refuse to actually research sources properly and believing whatever the U.S. mainstream media says regarding this conflict.

Zelensky is indeed a fascist and I don't support fascists or fascist governments.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You still failed to answer the question. Is Cargill benefiting or not from doing business in Ukraine? It's a simple yes or no question.

And you guys are no different than democrats in the fact that you all refuse to actually research sources properly and believing whatever the U.S. mainstream media says regarding this conflict.

Zelensky is indeed a fascist and I don't support fascists or fascist governments.
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"They lease or invest in land-holding companies "to benefit"; WTH are you thinking with that question? - is, in fact answering the question. What don't you get?
Are you an anti-capitalist now?

It isn't what the poster stated and the two are not remotely the same. If Juicy is interested in fact, he'll appreciate being notified he's using a false meme and drop it from the repertoire. That's all the reply was about, you goof.
 
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NCFisher said:
"They lease or invest in land-holding companies "to benefit"; WTH are you thinking with that question? - is, in fact answering the question. What don't you get?
Are you an anti-capitalist now?

It isn't what the poster stated and the two are not remotely the same. If Juicy is interested in fact, he'll appreciate being notified he's using a false meme and drop it from the repertoire. That's all the reply was about, you goof.
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All you had to do was answer yes or no. It's that simple. Instead you drag things out like a drama queen.

So you are okay with U.S. companies benefiting from doing business in Ukraine but not Russian companies? Are you an anti-capitalist?

The Zelensky regime is in no way capitalist. Last I checked someone who wants capitalism wouldn't agree with a fascist regime banning other political parties or suppressing freedom of speech and freedom of press. If you support Zelensky and the Ukrainian regime you are indeed supporting fascism. I'm sure you appreciate knowing what kind of regime you support.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I will give AM64 some credit as he doesn't seem to be for this unrealistic "automation utopia" that some people in this forum have. Mostly because they are self centered and think they will benefit from it in some way. It comes from a sense of entitlement and arrogance. The same entitlement and arrogance that they often accuse others of having.

However I went back and read that statement and it did seem he was saying people need to lower their standard of living. So I don't think your comment was out of left field at the time.

We have other problems in this country that need to be fixed. Drug overdose deaths were at an all time high. Cost of living is continuing to rise much higher than it should. Homelessness is increasing. Homicides and crime have increased in many major cities. We have an unsecured border. And instead of trying to fix these problems billions is pumped into this proxy war instead.
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I just don't understand why we should be throwing billions of $ to (allegedly) protect Bakhmut and Izyum instead of focusing on the people right here at home.
 
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DonjoVol said:
All you had to do was answer yes or no. It's that simple. Instead you drag things out like a drama queen.

So you are okay with U.S. companies benefiting from doing business in Ukraine but not Russian companies? Are you an anti-capitalist?

The Zelensky regime is in no way capitalist. Last I checked someone who wants capitalism wouldn't agree with a fascist regime banning other political parties or suppressing freedom of speech and freedom of press. If you support Zelensky and the Ukrainian regime you are indeed supporting fascism. I'm sure you appreciate knowing what kind of regime you support.
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@NCFisher is one of the biggest US imperialism supporters on this board by a country mile. It is clear that he, @Burhead and @NorthDallas40 have financial interests in preserving the MIC.
 
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DonjoVol said:
All you had to do was answer yes or no. It's that simple. Instead you drag things out like a drama queen.

So you are okay with U.S. companies benefiting from doing business in Ukraine but not Russian companies? Are you an anti-capitalist?

The Zelensky regime is in no way capitalist. Last I checked someone who wants capitalism wouldn't agree with a fascist regime banning other political parties or suppressing freedom of speech and freedom of press. If you support Zelensky and the Ukrainian regime you are indeed supporting fascism. I'm sure you appreciate knowing what kind of regime you support.
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It was answered in the first post; OF COURSE they benefit, it is literally the purpose of investment. You dragged it out by having a comprehension deficit disorder.

If U.S. entities invest it's fascism, if Russia invades and annexes, it's Russian Jesus saving the world. If Z bans a pro-Russian party while being invaded and annexed by that country then "Nazi" but not the fascist, Nazi-like guy invading even as he purges his own government routinely and did so to take power.

Yeah, we got it the first 200 times you regurgitated it.
I support Ukraine running their own country and Russia running theirs, bub.
 
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NCFisher said:
I support Ukraine running their own country and Russia running theirs, bub.
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WTF are you talking about? They are not a soverign country right now under 3elensky. They are clearly a puppet regime being handled by Washington and London. Any illusion of Ukrainian soverignty really ende in February 2014, not February 2022.
 
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NCFisher said:
It was answered in the first post; OF COURSE they benefit, it is literally the purpose of investment. You dragged it out by having a comprehension deficit disorder.

If U.S. entities invest it's fascism, if Russia invades and annexes, it's Russian Jesus saving the world. If Z bans a pro-Russian party while being invaded and annexed by that country then "Nazi" but not the fascist, Nazi-like guy invading even as he purges his own government routinely and did so to take power.

Yeah, we got it the first 200 times you regurgitated it.
I support Ukraine running their own country and Russia running theirs, bub.
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I didn't drag anything out. You did. All you had to was simply answer "yes" and the conversation would have been over. Instead you chose to be a drama queen and drag it out. I notice you tend to do that in this thread over Ukraine.

So Cargill found a way to profit off Ukraine. So tell us has the life of the average Ukrainian private farmer gotten better or have major corporations like Cargill and Ukrainian oligarchs benefited more over the years?

Some of you conservatives on here are really showing your true colors. You guys are okay with authoritarianism as long as it's authoritarianism you agree with. It makes you no different than some of these democrats in this forum.

If you think Ukraine and Russia can run their countries the way they want then you would have had no problem when Yanukovych was actually trying to have a relationship with both the West and Russia. And if Ukraine and Russia decide they want to come to a peace agreement regarding this conflict then you should have no problem with that either. Correct?

Also, I didn't say the U.S. investing was fascism. I said the Zelensky regime is a fascist regime. Learn to read.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF are you talking about? They are not a soverign country right now under 3elensky. They are clearly a puppet regime being handled by Washington and London. Any illusion of Ukrainian soverignty really ende in February 2014, not February 2022.
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It's funny how he says he supports both countries running things the way they want but when it was Yanukovych being ousted in a western backed coup he had no problem with that. And I wonder how he would feel if Russia and Ukraine decided to come to terms on a peace agreement and become allies and end this conflict.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
@NCFisher is one of the biggest US imperialism supporters on this board by a country mile. It is clear that he, @Burhead and @NorthDallas40 have financial interests in preserving the MIC.
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That's the most randomly stupid, grasping reply I've seen in a while; bravo.

I've said literally nothing even implying your baseless Strawman #217. Rather I condemned the destruction of Libya, the colossal intel failure precipitating the Iraq invasion and condemnation of that invasion. I've stated the U.S. should militarily draw down from Europe and let them take care of their own problems, that they'll be more circumspect in their dealings if we don't unquestioningly have their back. I've criticized U.S. imperialism, in these very forums.

See? I can both disagree with neo-Cons and chicken-hawk Dems while disagreeing with your whitewashing of the authoritarian invader Putin. "Well, gee, Fish - that never occurred to me!"

Maybe it will before you randomly pull idiocy from your arse and fling at the screen, next time. That goes for you, too @DonjoVol
 
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NCFisher said:
That's the most randomly stupid, grasping reply I've seen in a while; bravo.

I've said literally nothing even implying your baseless Strawman #217. Rather I condemned the destruction of Libya, the colossal intel failure precipitating the Iraq invasion and condemnation of that invasion. I've stated the U.S. should militarily draw down from Europe and let them take care of their own problems, that they'll be more circumspect in their dealings if we don't unquestioningly have their back. I've criticized U.S. imperialism, in these very forums.

See? I can both disagree with neo-Cons and chicken-hawk Dems while disagreeing with your whitewashing of the authoritarian invader Putin. "Well, gee, Fish - that never occurred to me!"

Maybe it will before you randomly pull idiocy from your arse and fling at the screen, next time. That goes for you, too @DonjoVol
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So you would be okay if Russia and Ukraine mutually ended this conflict and came to terms on a peace agreement?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF are you talking about? They are not a soverign country right now under 3elensky. They are clearly a puppet regime being handled by Washington and London. Any illusion of Ukrainian soverignty really ende in February 2014, not February 2022.
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I've replied to this ad nauseum. Find any one of those posts and reply there.
 
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NCFisher said:
That's the most randomly stupid, grasping reply I've seen in a while; bravo.

I've said literally nothing even implying your baseless Strawman #217. Rather I condemned the destruction of Libya, the colossal intel failure precipitating the Iraq invasion and condemnation of that invasion. I've stated the U.S. should militarily draw down from Europe and let them take care of their own problems, that they'll be more circumspect in their dealings if we don't unquestioningly have their back. I've criticized U.S. imperialism, in these very forums.

See? I can both disagree with neo-Cons and chicken-hawk Dems while disagreeing with your whitewashing of the authoritarian invader Putin. "Well, gee, Fish - that never occurred to me!"

Maybe it will before you randomly pull idiocy from your arse and fling at the screen, next time. That goes for you, too @DonjoVol
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Okay. Perhaps you should work on being less dramatic anytime someone asks a simple question or questions the accuracy of some of your "history lessons" here.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
@NCFisher is one of the biggest US imperialism supporters on this board by a country mile. It is clear that he, @Burhead and @NorthDallas40 have financial interests in preserving the MIC.
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And their defense of big corporations profiting more from agriculture in Ukraine instead of the average private Ukrainian farmer is just mind boggling. I thought they cared about Ukrainians? Instead they accuse you of being "anti-capitalist" if you point it out.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I didn't drag anything out. You did. All you had to was simply answer "yes" and the conversation would have been over. Instead you chose to be a drama queen and drag it out. I notice you tend to do that in this thread over Ukraine.

So Cargill found a way to profit off Ukraine. So tell us has the life of the average Ukrainian private farmer gotten better or have major corporations like Cargill and Ukrainian oligarchs benefited more over the years?

Some of you conservatives on here are really showing your true colors. You guys are okay with authoritarianism as long as it's authoritarianism you agree with. It makes you no different than some of these democrats in this forum.

If you think Ukraine and Russia can run their countries the way they want then you would have had no problem when Yanukovych was actually trying to have a relationship with both the West and Russia. And if Ukraine and Russia decide they want to come to a peace agreement regarding this conflict then you should have no problem with that either. Correct?

Also, I didn't say the U.S. investing was fascism. I said the Zelensky regime is a fascist regime. Learn to read.
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The first reply was a yes, you simply didn't understand it, and it's not my obligation to color in the lines for you.

Again, I've replied ad nauseum to the narrative that Ukraine is a puppet regime of the U.S.; read them. And even if it were true, that is the business of UKRAINE. It was Yank tanking the trade agreement with the EU (and jailing a political opponent, former PM - remember that next time you blather about Z banning a pro-Russ party in time of war) that put 100s/1000s of feet on the street in protest and his leaving his post that spelled his downfall, not the jackass McCain and Nuland handing out cookies.

If any of the Russian republics or oblasts wish to leave the Russian federation, I support their attempt at independence; and it would be a Russian matter that other countries should not interfere in. See the intellectual continuity?

Then why did you have a problem with U.S. investment in Ukraine when I pointed out the false meme of Monsanto owning 20% of Uk farmland? Or perhaps, why don't you have a problem with the U.S. investing in a 'fascist' country? These are the illogical knots you guys tie yourself into because you overreach in your exuberance.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And their defense of big corporations profiting more from agriculture in Ukraine instead of the average private Ukrainian farmer is just mind boggling. I thought they cared about Ukrainians? Instead they accuse you of being "anti-capitalist" if you point it out.
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"Big corporations profiting more"....just when I think you can't sound any more like the left, you up the ante.

Explain how "the average" anyone is going to profit more than/as much as "big corporations"? While doing it, recall the post that started your random thoughts; that it is Ukrainian land owned by Ukrainian people, communally owned, and Ukrainian government. In 2024, companies will be able to buy Ukrainian farmland.

Ukrainian companies, that is.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
@NCFisher is one of the biggest US imperialism supporters on this board by a country mile. It is clear that he, @Burhead and @NorthDallas40 have financial interests in preserving the MIC.


@NorthDallas40 @Burhead

Guys, just wanted to check in and see if we've completed our majority stake takeover of NorthropGru yet?
What's taking so damned long?!
 
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DonjoVol said:
You still failed to answer the question. Is Cargill benefiting or not from doing business in Ukraine? It's a simple yes or no question.

And you guys are no different than democrats in the fact that you all refuse to actually research sources properly and believing whatever the U.S. mainstream media says regarding this conflict.

Zelensky is indeed a fascist and I don't support fascists or fascist governments.
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Do you consider putin a fascist?
 
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Russia now getting tanks from Belarus. Things are going swimmingly, right Ras. Be like the US asking Mexico for military equipment.

 
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