War in Ukraine

[volgr]

No need. Snake Island was taken back from Russia, and lots of pathetic Russian soldiers took a dirt nap in the process.

Was it? Last I heard, no one occupied it.

 

[utvolpj]

The “ceasefire” Russia was always going to back out of because they never had any intention of peace at the time. Keep in mind, they are the ones who trashed the deal.

will of course they were so why even try. Let's just continue the same path of killing people and infrastructure that makes investors happy

The only reason they have been discussing a ceasefire recently is because they know they’re struggling and want sanctions lifted so they can re-group and try again.

Then at least try. They're going to hurt Europe if no one tries a new approach. Until then the poorest still get the short straw

 

[volgr]

The “ceasefire” Russia was always going to back out of because they never had any intention of peace at the time. Keep in mind, they are the ones who trashed the deal.

More confession through projection.

 

[Velo Vol]

@Rasputin_Vol heard sobbing in the corner.

 

[utvolpj]

What agreement is responsible for Russia invading Ukraine? Do tell.

Expansion. If Russia was putting missiles on the Mexican border we would do the same. It's a purposeful provocation

 

[volgr]

will of course they were so why even try. Let's just continue the same path of killing people and infrastructure that makes investors happy

Then at least try. They're going to hurt Europe if no one tries a new approach. Until then the poorest still get the short straw

There really is no reasoning with most of these pro-Ukrainian folks.

 

[tvolsfan]

will of course they were so why even try. Let's just continue the same path of killing people and infrastructure that makes investors happy

Then at least try. They're going to hurt Europe if no one tries a new approach. Until then the poorest still get the short straw

Because there’s no room for compromise. One country wants to exist and the other country doesn’t think they should.

 

[utvolpj]

There really is no reasoning with most of these pro-Ukrainian folks.

Or your pro Russian group either peddling false propaganda

 

[utvolpj]

Because there’s no room for compromise. One country wants to exist and the other country doesn’t think they should.

Russia's goal is to completely eliminate all of Ukraine from existence?

 

[tvolsfan]

Expansion. If Russia was putting missiles on the Mexican border we would do the same. It's a purposeful provocation

A more genuine comparison is if we just started invading Mexico and said it’s because Russia was threatening us without any sort of evidence, then began annexing and ethnically cleansing the territory.

 

[volgr]

I'll go with retreat. Its literally the only thing they have done well in their 3 day war that started 7 months ago.

Surovikin has already hinted that they will retreat if it means saving their forces. Seems wise. If Ukraine does take Kherson, it will likely be a pyrrhic victory.

 

[utvolpj]

A more genuine comparison is if we just started invading Mexico and said it’s because Russia was threatening us without any sort of evidence, then began annexing and ethnically cleansing the territory.

Except your timeline is backwards

The us has shown it has no issue with genocide. Not sure why you present it like a showstopper

 

[volgr]

Or your pro Russian group either peddling false propaganda

I'm not pro-Russian, but feel free to respond when you think I am peddling false propaganda, instead of making bogus claims.

 

[tvolsfan]

Russia's goal is to completely eliminate all of Ukraine from existence?

That was definitely Putin’s original goal. He quite transparently considers Ukraine to be Russian territory and has repeatedly questioned Ukraine’s right to statehood.

 

[utvolpj]

I'm not pro-Russian, but feel free to respond when you think I am peddling false propaganda, instead of making bogus claims.

False propaganda like the Russian claims they're fighting nazis?

 

[utvolpj]

That was definitely Putin’s original goal. He quite transparently considers Ukraine to be Russian territory and has repeatedly questioned Ukraine’s right to statehood.

Is that his current goal? Had that been stated or did it just meet your beliefs?

 

[volgr]

That was definitely Putin’s original goal. He quite transparently considers Ukraine to be Russian territory and has repeatedly questioned Ukraine’s right to statehood.

Please back that up with ANY evidence from Putin's mouth or actions.

 

[Velo Vol]

Good thread on how Russia's Iranian drone attacks are using up Ukraine's more expensive air defense resources.

 

[tvolsfan]

Except your timeline is backwards

The us has shown it has no issue with genocide. Not sure why you present it like a showstopper

But it isn’t. Russia had no real security concerns in Ukraine. They were just saying that. Ukraine was nowhere near being allowed into NATO. But they insisted on their independence and freedom to deal with the west economically. That, or course, is what is “hostile” to Russia.

The last part is just more useless whataboutism. If the US was currently perpetrating ethnic cleansing, I would be furious about that as well.

 

[tvolsfan]

Please back that up with ANY evidence from Putin's mouth or actions.

Lol

 

[utvolpj]

The last part is just more useless whataboutism. If the US was currently perpetrating ethnic cleansing, I would be furious about that as well.

See Yemen

 

[TheDeeble]

That Putin questioned Ukraine statehood? He absolutely denied it.

As Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops into two rebel-held regions in eastern Ukraine late Monday night, recognizing the regions as independent, he returned to a familiar argument that the Kremlin has pushed for years: that Ukraine’s claim to statehood is entirely baseless. In a televised address to the nation, Putin explicitly denied that Ukraine had ever had “real statehood,” and said the country was an integral part of Russia’s “own history, culture, spiritual space.”
Putin’s speech, which went on for nearly an hour, was a new twist in the long-running battle to define Ukraine’s place in the world. In it, Putin set out his belief more forcefully than ever before that Ukraine is intrinsically Russian, that its three decades as a nation-state have been incoherent, and that the country owes its existence to a series of mistakes by bumbling Soviet leaders. (He made a series of similar arguments in an essay published last summer.)

What Putin Gets Wrong About Ukraine's Statehood

 

[volgr]

False propaganda like the Russian claims they're fighting nazis?

Russia does claim part of their stated goals is de-nazification. That isn't propaganda. While Ukraine does have a neo-Nazi problem, and they do turn a blind eye to it, it's not like 50% of the Country are part of this group but the group is quite large and they have integrated into Ukraine's armed forces. None of that is propaganda.

 

[hog88]

Cease fire as was reported to have been on the table earlier. People don't want this in their country when it means losing everything they've ever had.

I disagree. I think most people would fight to the death before bending the knee and being a slave.

I just thank goodness people had different attitudes than yours in 1775.

 

[tvolsfan]

See Yemen

I suspected you would try to compare our weapon sales with actual Russian actions. I’m assuming you’re thrilled with Biden reconsidering US-Saudi relations.