War in Ukraine

[DonjoVol]

Oh I’ve got plenty of life outside VolNation. But I’ve still got plenty of time left over to mock your idiotic hot takes and illogical conclusions drawn from otherwise fairly straight forward points made by other coherent posters.

Lol. You claiming you have plenty of life outside Volnation is the best joke I've heard on here today.

I've been mocking the stupidity of you and your crew for months on here. Honestly I'm not even surprised by it anymore. So please, continue to make yourself look stupid.

 

[DonjoVol]

Oh I’ve got plenty of life outside VolNation. But I’ve still got plenty of time left over to mock your idiotic hot takes and illogical conclusions drawn from otherwise fairly straight forward points made by other coherent posters.

And I see the talk of the military industrial complex has made you angry again.

 

[NorthDallas40]

And I see the talk of the military industrial complex has made you angry again.

Oh a twofer reply! Got under that stooge skin huh Curly? No anger here just doing a public service and educating your ignorant stooge asses on how that “obviously corrupt” industry works since I worked in it over 30 years and you trolls clearly have no damn idea what you’re talking about. Again. As usual. Much like I’m guessing you could provide the finer points on how to clean and maintain a short order grill!

 

[DonjoVol]

Oh a twofer reply! Got under that stooge skin huh Curly? No anger here just doing a public service and educating your ignorant stooge asses on how that “obviously corrupt” industry works since I worked in it over 30 years and you trolls clearly have no damn idea what you’re talking about. Again. As usual. Much like I’m guessing you could provide the finer points on how to clean and maintain a short order grill!

Yes it is very corrupt. And much of that money could be spent on better things. It would also be nice if some of that money went to give our men and women who actually have enlisted in the military a bigger pay raise.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes it is a very corrupt industry and much of that money could be spent on better things. It would also be nice if some of that money went to give our men and women who actually have enlisted in the military a bigger pay raise.

All funding starts in Congress Curly. Not a penny given to a contractor that isn’t allocated by Congress. And every contractor’s books are audited by DCAA yearly. Is it inefficient? Oh hell yes absolutely. I’ve said so many times myself. Is it “obviously corrupt”? Well you’re free to try and prove that instead of just making your usual baseless stupid ass dog whistles Curly. Run along to ZeroHedge and dig up some riveting journalism on that.

And those contractors can’t receive funds that aren’t allocated by Congress. That’s the law Curly. We absolutely need to cut back on the amount of defense spending but you screaming at hogs for eating out of an overflowing trough is just idiotic and rings hollow of any actual merit.

 

[DonjoVol]

All funding starts in Congress Curly. Not a penny given to a contractor that isn’t allocated by Congress. And every contractor’s books are audited by DCAA yearly. Is it inefficient? Oh hell yes absolutely. I’ve said so many times myself. Is it “obviously corrupt”? Well you’re free to try and prove that instead of just making your usual baseless stupid ass dog whistles Curly. Run along to ZeroHedge and dig up some riveting journalism on that.

And those contractors can’t receive funds that aren’t allocated by Congress. That’s the law Curly. We absolutely need to cut back on the amount of defense spending but you screaming at hogs for eating out of an overflowing trough is just idiotic and rings hollow of any actual merit.

And I'm sure that money goes to people who probably donated to campaigns or to friends of these politicians. Just like much of the legislation that has been passed has helped the spouses and families of politicians.

I'll say it again. The MIC needs these conflicts globally in order for them to profit and they have the salesmen - lobbyists, congressmen, senators- to ensure they will get their funding.

Eisenhower was 100% correct in talking about the MIC in his farewell speech.

And you are free to refute any of the points I've made just now. Would you like to make the claim that Eisenhower was wrong?

 

[NorthDallas40]

And I'm sure that money goes to people who probably donated to campaigns or to friends of these politicians. Just like much of the legislation that has been passed has helped the spouses and families of politicians.

I'll say it again. The MIC needs these conflicts globally in order for them to profit and they have the salesmen - lobbyists, congressmen, senators- to ensure they will get their funding.

Eisenhower was 100% correct in talking about the MIC in his farewell speech.

And you are free to refute any of the points I've made just now. Would you like to make the claim that Eisenhower was wrong?

Oh I whole heartedly encourage you to write your Congressmen and women and express your righteous indignation about how much money we spend on defense each year. I completely believe it’s too much.

And you are wrong on Eisenhower. He isn’t condemning the industry he’s condemning the government vacating their responsibility of oversight and cost controls. And that is very much so on target. The industry is littered with retired generals and admirals. Austin was on the board at Raytheon before taking SECDEF. I’m all for limiting the amount of inbreeding sanctioned by the government on the defense industry.

But again don’t blame the hogs stuffing themselves at an overflowing trough blame the incompetent wasteful farmer. And if one hog decides to go all self righteous and push away another hog will be happy to take his spot. If only the farmer would cut back on the slop…

 

[evillawyer]

Oh... I forgot about the frostbite narrative. Yeah, my bad. Just like Ghost of Kyiv and Snake Island. I'm sure out of 170k soldiers, you will have cases of frostbite here or there, but I'm pretty sure that Russians generally know how to prepare for cold weather.

Just re-upping this nugget of wisdom from you @Rasputin_Vol

Russian Soldiers Are Freezing To Death In Eastern Ukraine

 

[DonjoVol]

Oh I whole heartedly encourage you to write your Congressmen and women and express your righteous indignation about how much money we spend on defense each year. I completely believe it’s too much.

And you are wrong on Eisenhower. He isn’t condemning the industry he’s condemning the government vacating their responsibility of oversight and cost controls. And that is very much so on target. The industry is littered with retired generals and admirals. Austin was on the board at Raytheon before taking SECDEF. I’m all for limiting the amount of inbreeding sanctioned by the government on the defense industry.

But again don’t blame the hogs stuffing themselves at an overflowing trough blame the incompetent wasteful farmer. And if one hog decides to go all self righteous and push away another hog will be happy to take his spot. If only the farmer would cut back on the slop…

He was warning about the growing power and influence the industry had and would have in the future. Of course that's not the only part of his farewell speech. I believe it was around 16 minutes in length.

It's not the retired admirals and generals I'm concerned about. It's the people in power of those industries and our elected officials who never served a day in their life in the military making those decisions.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Just re-upping this nugget of wisdom from you @Rasputin_Vol

Russian Soldiers Are Freezing To Death In Eastern Ukraine

@Rasputin_Vol hey Moe!

Winter is coming…

 

[NorthDallas40]

He was warning about the growing power and influence the industry had and would have in the future. Of course that's not the only part of his farewell speech. I believe it was around 16 minutes in length.

It's not the retired admirals and generals I'm concerned about. It's the people in power of those industries and our elected officials who never served a day in their life in the military making those decisions.

You need to go read it again. Oh hell never mind you can’t comprehend it. He points out that the counsel and inputs from the industry are in fact a necessity going forward in order to produce modern weapons of war. Hammering ploughshares into swords won’t cut it anymore. Thus he charges the public servants to not get too cozy with their newfound dedicated professional industry tailoring to their needs.

That’s it. He isn’t blaming the industry. He in fact acknowledges that it is a necessity in the modern world. He is charging the public servants with understanding and properly managing the obviously coming conflicts of interest.

Remember stooge boy I did this for 30+ years. I learned about and read that speech long ago, absorbed it’s warnings, and need no stooge input on decoding it I get it completely

 

[evillawyer]

@Rasputin_Vol hey Moe!

Winter is coming…

Interesting tweet thread in that article talking about the tell-tale sluggishness of hypothermia that Russians are moving with when they're hit with drone-dropped grenades. I've seen numerous videos of this in the recent weeks and didn't know what the explanation was. Thought the Russian soldiers were just tired or drunk. But nope, it's likely hypothermia.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Interesting tweet thread in that article talking about the tell-tale sluggishness of hypothermia that Russians are moving with when they're hit with drone-dropped grenades. I've seen numerous videos of this in the recent weeks and didn't know what the explanation was. Thought the Russian soldiers were just tired or drunk. But nope, it's likely hypothermia.

Yeah I watched that video. Hard to watch. Wonder how long before they start shooting their officers and just walk away.

 

[DonjoVol]

You need to go read it again. Oh hell never mind you can’t comprehend it. He points out that the counsel and inputs from the industry are in fact a necessity going forward in order to produce modern weapons of war. Hammering ploughshares into swords won’t cut it anymore. Thus he charges the public servants to not get too cozy with their newfound dedicated professional industry tailoring to their needs.

That’s it. He isn’t blaming the industry. He in fact’s acknowledges that it is a necessity in the modern world. He is charging the public servants with understanding and properly managing the obviously coming conflicts of interest.

Remember stooge boy I did this for 30+ years. I learned about and read that speech long ago, absorbed it’s warnings, and need no stooge input on decoding it I get it completely

Lol. That's the stupidest take I've heard on that yet. And you're the only one who I have heard say it. But I see you feel the need to take up for your industry so I understand the lengths of stupidity you will go to in order to misinterpret completely what he said. And now I know why you defend our involvement in Ukraine so much.

I'll say it again. I'm more concerned about the people in power in that industry who never once served a day of their life in the military. Not the retired admirals and generals.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol. That's the stupidest take I've heard on that yet. And you're the only one who I have heard say it. But I see you feel the need to take up for your industry so I understand the lengths of stupidity you will go to in order to misinterpret completely what he said. And now I know why you defend our involvement in Ukraine so much.

I'll say it again. I'm more concerned about the people in power in that industry who never once served a day of their life in the military. Not the retired admirals and generals.

I’m not shocked you’d call it the stupidest take since you have zero reading comprehension you illiterate troll.

His first reference to the newfound armaments industry.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

He points to the obvious risk of undue influence

We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

He issues the charge to not get too close to this needed industry and maintain the proper neutrality in oversight as there will be wanted as well unwanted solicitation IE lobbying. That’s present in every single industry today Curly.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together

And the fact that you can’t recognize the inbreeding in general officers with executive suites and boards resulting in compromised neutrality and lack of oversight indicates how truly clueless you are.

 

[volfanhill]

Just re-upping this nugget of wisdom from you @Rasputin_Vol

Russian Soldiers Are Freezing To Death In Eastern Ukraine

But they ate cheap eggs just before freezing to death

 

[AM64]

Turkey is just flexing while they can with whatever perceived leverage thru have. Since Pootin has his hands full with Ukraine at the moment I’d guess there is no imminent danger to either country. Hungary has already indicated they will consent. Erdogan is trying to act like BMOC and flex while he can.

Agree with all that, but Sweden has not seen fit to denounce neutrality or join NATO since forever. Sweden turns out some excellent weapons, has a higher standard of living than many NATO countries, and is almost as strategically located (perhaps equally) as Turkey. Turkey has the Bosporus Strait and Sweden sits on the Kattegat opposite Denmark - the narrow channel into the Baltic. Finland has some capable industry and is in another high profile location. Seems like both offer a lot of value; NATO should be grabbing them while the timing is right instead of letting them start having second thoughts.

 

[AM64]

He was warning about the growing power and influence the industry had and would have in the future. Of course that's not the only part of his farewell speech. I believe it was around 16 minutes in length.

It's not the retired admirals and generals I'm concerned about. It's the people in power of those industries and our elected officials who never served a day in their life in the military making those decisions.

There's plenty wrong with defense procurement. A lot of it resides in congress - they like to push the military into purchasing systems from their home states regardless of need. As ND40 pointed out there's some incestuous stuff that goes on because of retired high ranking military officers moving into cozy corporate positions - good luck proving graft though. Some of the cost is based on the military's inability to stay focused on reasonable systems and hardware - you don't really think stealth planes and ships will always be undetectable I hope - perhaps not even by the time the war with China happens. Think boondoggle - short term vs long term thought.

The military has had a very bad habit of not being able to put out specs and stay with them - hard for a contractor to hit a moving target. Is military hardware more expensive than commercial hardware - yep; commercial manufacturers don't have to deal with Mil-Spec components and assemblies. In the nuclear arena we had our own variant of that with nuclear qualified materials. Yes, there is a reason, but the military and nuclear hardware are generally some of the highest priced stuff you can find for that reason.

One day the military is going to have to sit down and figure it all out. The AF has been trying to do close air support with anything but the A-10 and claiming the A-10 isn't needed. Planes not designed for the role aren't going to get down in the weeds and support guys on the ground, and planes that do that aren't going to be able to protect themselves in contested airspace. You need planes like the A-10 with protection when in contested airspace. There's not a one size fits all solution - every situation demands flexibility - but that doesn't mean flying Swiss Army knives.

One place I'll agree with some of you is that we wouldn't find ourselves needing a bunch of different weaponry if we weren't in places we don't need to be, but that isn't on the military; the military goes where the civilian leadership sends them. Blame the legislative and administrative branches for that.

 

[AM64]

Interesting tweet thread in that article talking about the tell-tale sluggishness of hypothermia that Russians are moving with when they're hit with drone-dropped grenades. I've seen numerous videos of this in the recent weeks and didn't know what the explanation was. Thought the Russian soldiers were just tired or drunk. But nope, it's likely hypothermia.

Makes you wonder if hypothermia or hypervodkia is worse.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There's plenty wrong with defense procurement. A lot of it resides in congress - they like to push the military into purchasing systems from their home states regardless of need. As ND40 pointed out there's some incestuous stuff that goes on because of retired high ranking military officers moving into cozy corporate positions - good luck proving graft though. Some of the cost is based on the military's inability to stay focused on reasonable systems and hardware - you don't really think stealth planes and ships will always be undetectable I hope - perhaps not even by the time the war with China happens. Think boondoggle - short term vs long term thought.

The military has had a very bad habit of not being able to put out specs and stay with them - hard for a contractor to hit a moving target. Is military hardware more expensive than commercial hardware - yep; commercial manufacturers don't have to deal with Mil-Spec components and assemblies. In the nuclear arena we had our own variant of that with nuclear qualified materials. Yes, there is a reason, but the military and nuclear hardware are generally some of the highest priced stuff you can find for that reason.

One day the military is going to have to sit down and figure it all out. The AF has been trying to do close air support with anything but the A-10 and claiming the A-10 isn't needed. Planes not designed for the role aren't going to get down in the weeds and support guys on the ground, and planes that do that aren't going to be able to protect themselves in contested airspace. You need planes like the A-10 with protection when in contested airspace. There's not a one size fits all solution - every situation demands flexibility - but that doesn't mean flying Swiss Army knives.

One place I'll agree with some of you is that we wouldn't find ourselves needing a bunch of different weaponry if we weren't in places we don't need to be, but that isn't on the military; the military goes where the civilian leadership sends them. Blame the legislative and administrative branches for that.

Any O6 up is already kissing ass of at least one company to get a post military gig. Lot of O5’s too. At this point it’s expected.

 

[DonjoVol]

Any O6 up is already kissing ass of at least one company to get a post military gig. Lot of O5’s too. At this point it’s expected.

I'm sure there's also civilians who have never served a day in their life that are kissing ass as well.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There's plenty wrong with defense procurement. A lot of it resides in congress - they like to push the military into purchasing systems from their home states regardless of need.

How is that different than what I stated earlier?

From what I have been able to understand, the MIC develops their weapons systems based on profit margins and marketing rather than specific mission needs in the field. In your effort to bite our heads off and attack us for pointing out the corruption of the MIC, you should be standing with us in demanding a change in how we do things. Seems like you have a perfectly good understanding of what the problems are.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

One place I'll agree with some of you is that we wouldn't find ourselves needing a bunch of different weaponry if we weren't in places we don't need to be, but that isn't on the military; the military goes where the civilian leadership sends them. Blame the legislative and administrative branches for that.

Who else do you think we are blaming? We've been screaming about our interventionist foreign policy for years.

 

[MontyPython]

We're looking at Boeing making a cheaper alternative to HIMARS missiles with a range of around 100 miles. If greenlighted, will be available Spring of next year or so.

100-Mile Strike Weapon Weighed for Ukraine as Arms Makers Wrestle With Demand -Sources

 

[FLVOL_79]

Lol. You claiming you have plenty of life outside Volnation is the best joke I've heard on here today.

I've been mocking the stupidity of you and your crew for months on here. Honestly I'm not even surprised by it anymore. So please, continue to make yourself look stupid.

lol. Bless your heart.