And I have talked about Russia and Ukraine. Had NATO not moved to Russia's borders, had the Obama State Department not forced Yanukovich to sign a trade deal that prohibited Ukraine from dealing with Russia as well as the EU, had that same State Department with Victoria Nuland and the gang not lead a coup/regime change operation and had Ukraine simply abided by the Minsk ceasefire agreements, we wouldn't be here.
Unfortunately, you guys choose to ignore those facts.
Lol.
1. Russia wanted to join NATO as recently as 2002, that invalidates any concern of NATO moving west.
1b. The last time, pre Finland, NATO moved on Russias border was the same 2002. 20 years ago. Hard to justify Russias being upset by something they wanted at the same time.
2. Obama didnt force Yanukovich to sign anything, as he did not sign anything. Except with Russia.
2b. As you constantly ignore Yanokuvich actually ran on a campaign of closer ties to the west.
2c. The proposed deal did not in any way, shape, or form, limit trade with Russia. If you bothered to read it, you would know this. All it did was expand Ukraines market opportunities.
2d. If you needed further proof of this, where is this trade deal after Yanukovich was run out of town? Seems like if the coup was done to get in an anti Russian trade deal, that trade deal would be in place now. It doesnt exist. Or at least didnt pre feb 2022. You are missing a very key piece of your conspiracy. You dont have a smoking gun, or even a gun, or even a shooting.
3. Nuland had a phone call after the "coup" discussing who the new leader would be. That is not nefarious in the slightest. It's hard job to know who is going to be in charge so they can know how our relations are going to look. Any nations state department was going to be discussing this with their ambassador to Ukraine.
3b. Nulands cookies is the lamest continuous argument you guys make.
3c. It wasnt a coup. His government went through the legal process of removing him. In this "coup" means Russia didnt like the results.
3d. There have been two elections and two different presidents since the "coup". Seems like the democratic process has played out. And somehow, dispite you claiming wide spread Russian support we have not seen any major pro Russian parties gaining support, even before 2022. So even on the local level, no one wants Russia.
You are the one ignoring facts. You wont back up your arguments with anything, you will just say "sheeple" and avoid actual discussion. You ignore, deflect, twist and play the victim to avoid discussing the actual facts or providing actual support for your arguments. Maybe if you didnt hide behind the ignore function you would learn something.
