War in Ukraine

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Burhead said:
Russia doesn't have the demographics either, Russia is dying a slow death which will be hastened by all these senseless deaths on the battlefields of Ukraine. I believe that's partly why the went into Ukraine in the first place to annex bodies not just lands.
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The demographic issue with Russia right now is bad. But also at the present time, it is better than what Poland has.

You are not an idiot. You can do math. Look at the resources that Russia can bring vs Poland. Or for that matter, look at what Russia can bring vs NATO. How many soldiers can NATO activate within 6 months?
 
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TVOLS said:
I was thinking some of these countries have a lot invested now in the sovereignty of Ukraine (talking mostly the ones in Europe). If somehow Russia gains the upper hand for complete victory over Ukraine what country would comment ground forces to finally push Russia out first? with Article 5 of course being voided.

I'm thinking Poland or the UK
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And neither Poland nor UK have enough bodies. And after this year of them flooding weapons into Ukraine, they don't have the weapons and machines to do anything. This isn't a very hard concept to understand. You will not will an attrition war with Russia.
 
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Burhead said:
Russia doesn't have the demographics either, Russia is dying a slow death which will be hastened by all these senseless deaths on the battlefields of Ukraine. I believe that's partly why the went into Ukraine in the first place to annex bodies not just lands.
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Well, if you go back to the often quoted/misquoted rant by Putin with regards to the break up of the USSR being a catastrophe, you will clearly see that it was based on the Russian people that were scattered all over these various republics/new countries overnight. Putin tried diplomacy and peaceful negotiations for 8 years with Minsk I & II, but was dealing with dishonest negotiators on th other side of the table.

If you want to believe that it was about land and people, that is fine. But you cannot honestly say with a straight face that his initial intentions were not to maintain the state of Ukraine (outside of Crimea) before 02/24/2022. He bent over backwards to make diplomacy work... even went out of the way to build Nordstream II against his better judgement.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And neither Poland nor UK have enough bodies. And after this year of them flooding weapons into Ukraine, they don't have the weapons and machines to do anything. This isn't a very hard concept to understand. You will not will an attrition war with Russia.
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Whenever we read this tripe it always sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself that your vodka soaked orc invader buddies really aren’t as incompetent as they’ve shown the world to be. The curtain got pulled back in Feb last year. Russia is a paper tiger. Your only solution is for Russia to offer up enough bullet sponges to run the opposition out of ammo. Hilarious.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The demographic issue with Russi right now is bad. But also at the present time, it is better than what Poland has.

You are not an idiot. You can do math. Look at the resources that Russia can bring vs Poland. Or for that matter, look at what Russia can bring vs NATO. How many soldiers can NATO activate within 6 months?
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The West has always been at a manpower disadvantage even going back to the Cold War that is nothing new. That's why NATO has always went more towards the quality over quantity.
 
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Russia gonna Russia and bald dwarf gonna bald dwarf. Just keep throwing more bullet sponges at it

What Happened in Vuhledar? A Battle Points To Major Russian Military Problems


By one account, nearly three dozen Russian tanks and armored vehicles were reduced to smoldering rubble. By another, as many as 500 Russian troops may have been killed. Relatives of soldiers from one unit are frantically trading text messages and social-media posts trying to locate their loved ones.

More than two weeks after a major clash between Russian and Ukrainian forces, details are slowly emerging as to what exactly happened in Vuhledar earlier this month.
 
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Burhead said:
The West has always been at a manpower disadvantage even going back to the Cold War that is nothing new. That's why NATO has always went more towards the quality over quantity.
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And how is that quality over quantity strategy working out right now? Russia has $60 billion annual budget vs the US $800+ billion. Have you seen this advantage work in our favor in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Ukraine?

Are you open to the idea that maybe there is a lot of fluff and waste in that $800 billion?
 
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Burhead said:
That's why NATO has always went more towards the quality over quantity.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And how is that quality over quantity strategy working out right now? Russia has $60 billion annual budget vs the US $800+ billion. Have you seen this advantage work in our favor in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Ukraine?

Are you open to the idea that maybe there is a lot of fluff and waste in that $800 billion?
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There’s plenty wasted. But none of those wars involved full scale invasions like WWII. You know this, but you seem to think it’s a flex to compare what Russia is doing in Ukraine vs. 200 US soldiers on the ground in Syria.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They don't have the manufacturing base or the demographics. At best, they will be the tallest midget in NATO, but will not be able to fight Russia 1-on-1.

They are a US proxy. Just like the South Vietnamese. Just like the Free Syrian Army. Just like the Afghan Army. Just like the Ukrainians.
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Wahhh, anybody who stands up to Russia is a proxy. And a Nazi. And a communist.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And how is that quality over quantity strategy working out right now? Russia has $60 billion annual budget vs the US $800+ billion. Have you seen this advantage work in our favor in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Ukraine?

Are you open to the idea that maybe there is a lot of fluff and waste in that $800 billion?
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Our equipment has been designed to defeat Soviet/Russian equipment for decades and we're seeing when they're employed in that role (Ukraine) they are effective.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The demographic issue with Russia right now is bad. But also at the present time, it is better than what Poland has.

You are not an idiot. You can do math. Look at the resources that Russia can bring vs Poland. Or for that matter, look at what Russia can bring vs NATO. How many soldiers can NATO activate within 6 months?
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Whatever number NATO can activate Russia will need more than double that amount to even put up a respectable fight.
 
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hog88 said:
Yep, it works when you have the US supplying your dumb ass.
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All they brought to the table in the whole last century was a multitude of meat shields and bullet sponges. Now they have to supply the equipment and the bullet sponges. As long as they can draw on the poor for those bullet sponges the status quo can work. But once those Muscovites and St Petersburg kids start coming back in coffins or not coming back at all the house of cards comes down.
 
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Bill coming due to Luka for all those years of propping him up. And complete turnover in the Russian military district commanders while Prigozhin continues to cry like a little bitch.

Institute for the Study of War

Key Takeaways
  • The Kremlin will likely subsume elements of Belarus’ defense industrial base (DIB) as part of Moscow’s larger effort to reequip the Russian military to support a protracted war against Ukraine.
  • Lukashenko confirmed that Belarus has implemented more Union State integration programs - marking progress in the Kremlin’s decades-long pressure campaign to formalize the Russian-Belarusian Union State.
  • The Kremlin’s gains in Belarus underscore that Putin’s imperialistic ambitions transcend Ukraine and that containing the Russian threat requires the West’s sustained attention.
  • The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) confirmed the names of the four military district commanders, finalizing a complete turnover of the Russian military’s initial command since the start of the invasion of Ukraine.
  • Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to be mounting an informational counteroffensive against the conventional Russian military establishment.
  • Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
  • Russian forces continued ground attacks around Bakhmut, in the Donetsk City-Avdiivka area, and in western Donetsk Oblast.
  • Russian and Ukrainian military activity near Nova Kakhovka, Kherson Oblast indicates that Russian forces are likely deployed to positions close bank of the Dnipro River.
  • The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense (UK MoD) reported that Russian forces have likely suffered up to 200,000 casualties since the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
  • Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a variety of laws on February 17 to integrate occupied territories into Russian legal, economic, and administrative structures.
 
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Burhead said:
Our equipment has been designed to defeat Soviet/Russian equipment for decades and we're seeing when they're employed in that role (Ukraine) they are effective.
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How can you say they have been effective? Really? Ukraine is begging for weapons every time you turn around.
 
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