War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
The best answer was no NATO in Ukraine, a neutral status for Ukraine, Donbas remaining in Ukraine but having a certain level of autonomy and recognizing Crimea as part of the Russian Federation.
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You mean the Russian answer. Every single one of your points favors Russia only. This is why you pleas for diplomacy falls on deaf ears.

There was no NATO in Ukraine, and still isnt or article 5 would have been called up. Ukraine was neutral, Russia didnt want to share which is why they bought off the president to sign a Russian deal.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
The Russians have found themselves bogged down in a US/NATO sponsored quagmire that will negatively affect them for years to come and may lead to the ouster of their President. It appears you as well as our "foreign enemies" may have miscalculated America's strengths and weaknesses.

Edit: I notice you never miss an opportunity to bash Biden. Some might suggest you suffer from..well.. BDS.
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As I’ve called him out on when an R gets back in the WH (in 2024😎) he’ll immediately flip 180 and champion aid that will keep flowing. And it will keep flowing if Ukraine hasn’t fallen. There is no honest broker here it’s all party platform. When pointed out that war is here now what there are no answers.
 
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LouderVol said:
You mean the Russian answer. Every single one of your points favors Russia only. This is why you pleas for diplomacy falls on deaf ears.

There was no NATO in Ukraine, and still isnt or article 5 would have been called up. Ukraine was neutral, Russia didnt want to share which is why they bought off the president to sign a Russian deal.
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Not only that, Ukraine didn't have a MAP, and both France and Germany were hard "no" on them joining.

Ukraine had zero prospects of getting into NATO prior to 2/24/2022, but will end up getting a NATO bid specifically because of Putin's choice to escalate his 8-year-old invasion.
 
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DonjoVol said:
The pro war neocon and democrat crowd here in this thread do not care about the Ukrainian lives being lost daily. They have stated this on multiple occasions.
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It's about their choice.

You would rather be a live slave. Enough of them would rather be dead freemen. I guess you would rather we were a british colony.

You are conflating our support of their desire to fight for their freedom as us wanting them all dead. We are supporting their fight, right or wrong. Our support stops when the war does or Ukraine says it doesnt need anymore. The war does not stop when our support ends. You continue to argue a tail wagging the dog frame of mind.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I still don’t know why you even offered him. You know it’s a waste of time. I won’t ever engage him on any serious detailed discussion he’s too much of a disingenuous troll and flat out liar to waste the time on.
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He says he wants an honest discussion. If no one offers he will just use the lack to claim some victory. This way he is repeatedly on record crawfishing from any real discussion.
 
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LouderVol said:
Military. SS, medicare, medicaid, subsidies and bailouts for some industries.
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As what? Right socialism? I would say that list covers both right and left which I am guessing you are proving your initial assertion with? Which I won’t disagree on.
 
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LouderVol said:
He says he wants an honest discussion. If no one offers he will just use the lack to claim some victory. This way he is repeatedly on record crawfishing from any real discussion.
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Thanks for taking one for the team. Having engaged him before I’ll just refuse, point, and mock and laugh. Less stress and same end result.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Thanks for taking one for the team. Having engaged him behind I’ll just refuse, point, and mock and laugh. Less stress and same end result.
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It's no stress for me. Usually it just involves actually reading the stuff they post and realizing it doesnt say what they want it to say. Which is why they completely duck the subject after they get countered, and revert to deflection or personal attacks.
 
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