War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why are you happy about the loss of life when this could have/should have been resolved had The West/US kept their end of the bargain in 1991? Now Russians, Ukrainians and other foreigners are being sacrificed needlessly.
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Really have no sympathy for any Russian soldier who willingly obeys illegal orders. If they don't want to die in the killing fields of Ukraine maybe they should turn their guns on the Kremlin.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why are you happy about the loss of life when this could have/should have been resolved had The West/US kept their end of the bargain in 1991? Now Russians, Ukrainians and other foreigners are being sacrificed needlessly.
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I'm not at all happy about the Russian loss of life. I do wish it were happing at a faster pace though.
 
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WBO said:
OK, I know you like to do a little agitating just like I often do. But Raz let's keep at least a modicum of honesty here. Russia's security paranoia goes back to before the concept of a Russian state when the flat portions of the Eurasian land mass were the super highways for the hordes of invaders coming out of Asia and heading to Europe. They are always going to want vassal states serving as buffers. It's just that those people have a right not to be buffers.

Has nothing to do with communism.
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Which is precisely why NATO should have understood their security concerns in 1991. Everything you just said is exactly what I have been saying, so I'm fully aware of that. If the US expects other countries to respect our security concerns here and respect our vassal states here, it is just as reasonable for Russia and China to have their security concerns and spheres of influence respected.
 
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Burhead said:
Really have no sympathy for any Russian soldier who willingly obeys illegal orders. If they don't want to die in the killing fields of Ukraine maybe they should turn their guns on the Kremlin.
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How many illegal orders have American troops followed in Iraq and Syria?
 
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AM64 said:
Russia could have made "Russians" in the affected areas welcome, and taken them back home. Russia agreed to property lines and then tried to change them. If you are really concerned about loss of life, then perhaps you could encourage Russians to just go back home. People tend to put up a fight when they are invaded.
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Those people have been on that land for 200+ years. They have every right to self-determination.

Using that same logic, the Kosovars should have moved to Albania, right?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Which is precisely why NATO should have understood their security concerns in 1991. Everything you just said is exactly what I have been saying, so I'm fully aware of that. If the US expects other countries to respect our security concerns here and respect our vassal states here, it is just as reasonable for Russia and China to have their security concerns and spheres of influence respected.
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Russia has an enormous population, climate that makes it famously difficult to invade, and thousands of nukes. They have no security concerns. They can shut the **** up.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many illegal orders have American troops followed in Iraq and Syria?
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That’s the weird line right there. Got to respect Russian men for fighting for their country as too Ukrainians. It’s all perspective of right and wrong. Technically our war in Iraq was illegal.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Which is precisely why NATO should have understood their security concerns in 1991. Everything you just said is exactly what I have been saying, so I'm fully aware of that. If the US expects other countries to respect our security concerns here and respect our vassal states here, it is just as reasonable for Russia and China to have their security concerns and spheres of influence respected.
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Paranoia is an explanation, it's not a freaking excuse.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I try to avoid bringing US politics here, but how ignorant of the last nine years of the Russo-Ukrainian War do you have to be to believe an American can just waltz in and end the conflict?

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No one is ending this war. We’re giving Ukraine just enough to get by and to show how inept the Russian Army is. We’re trying to bleed the Russians out so that they cannot build forces up like the Chinese. We don’t need the Russians and the Chinese building up armed forces at the same time, especially if this showdown with China is coming in the next 3-10 years.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
No one is ending this war. We’re giving Ukraine just enough to get by and to show how inept the Russian Army is. We’re trying to bleed the Russians out so that they cannot build forces up like the Chinese. We don’t need the Russians and the Chinese building up armed forces at the same time, especially if this showdown with China is coming in the next 3-10 years.
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Why does it need to be a military showdown with either one? We are the ones wanting war, not China or Russia.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why does it need to be a military showdown with either one? We are the ones wanting war, not China or Russia.
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It’s not entirely a military showdown. It’s mostly economic. It has to do w/ China overtaking the US as the global superpower. We don’t want a military war with the Russians or the Chinese, but we really don’t a war with both allied together at full strength. You also can’t act like the Chinese aren’t being provocative with their words and their actions . They are creating actual islands to serve as airfields and jumping off points to fight a war .
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why does it need to be a military showdown with either one? We are the ones wanting war, not China or Russia.
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I am sorry, I missed our invasion of Russia in February 2022.

right or wrong, we play world peacekeepers. that is the opposite of wanting war. our presence has stopped more wars than we have fought, which is a lot. When everyone has to think "ah crap, is America going show up and help the little guy I am attacking?" that changes the math on the war happening.

There is a reason the late 20th and 21st centuries have seen the least amount of deaths from war over any similar time period. Its us, sitting there and knocking heads when other nations fight.

If you want more peace, you want us strong and involved.
If you want more trade, you want us strong and involved.
If you want us to sit at home and mind our own business, you are going to have to accept that there is less peace and trade.
 
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LouderVol said:
More of that Russia being the one true hope of protecting freedoms in the world. Unless Russia doesn't like you of course.

U.S. journalist detained in Russia on espionage charges

its almost like being at war makes the standards of what is acceptable media different, especially when it comes to media that is friendly to a foreign nation....
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Why would any American remain in Russia? The guy was an idiot.
 
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