War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
his only argument is going to be the fighting that was happening in Ukraine before the invasion. The parts of Ukraine that weren't part of Russia, or even claimed by Russia at the time. so again he is resorting to relative future actions (annexation) to justify deeds done in the past.
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Yeah, but a "significant" minority in those parts of Ukraine were Russian (according to Russian polls), so obviously they should have belonged to Russia. And the NATO forces that rolled out of Ukraine onto Russian soil prompting Russia's three day special action further demonstrate NATO aggression.
 
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volgr said:
Come now, let us speak truthfully. Crimea is and has been much more pro-Russian than pro-Ukrainian. I am sure Russia has tried to influence other areas that arent as pro-Russia as Crimea but they didnt push Crimea into referendums. This is also why Crimea fell so easily. There was little pushback as most in Crimea were happy to be out of Ukraine. Now, you could argue they may have wanted to be independent first and Russia second but being Ukrainian was a distant third.
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That's a lot like saying parts of Florida are closely aligned with NJ and NY because of the snowbirds, and claiming that FL is more a yankee damn state than a southern state. If the riff-raff would just stay home ...
 
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LouderVol said:
the only way your cat was dead was after that cat started killing others. What would Ukraine/NATO have done if Russia never invades? The answer is nothing, just like they had been doing since the 50s. Both sides had been interfering in each other's wars the entire time, nothing was changing there.

what about Bakhmut makes it a gateway to the west? Any infrastructure has been bombed to hades and back multiple times over. Its not the only river crossing for 100 miles, its doesn't control passage into a mountain range. It was literally just the next town on the line. There is no reason to think Ukraine won't be able to hold up Russia for a similar amount of time at the next town they actually plan to hold. yeah it opens up the next 10 or so kilometers, but thats a ton of energy to take that. and if Ukraine has been smart they have had 9 months to at choose and prepare their next defensive area.

and I thought Ukraine was shelling so little it wasn't having an effect? But now they have enough shells to just throw around to random areas?

I am willing to bet there will be no major pushes by Russia out of Bakhmut for at least 6 months. which should be more than enough time if it was as easy as you think. When do you think Russia takes advantage of the fall of Bakhmut?
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Since according to volgr, Russia is heaving artillery rounds 7:1 over the Ukrainian NATO forces, you'd hope that Russia saved up the cannon balls Napoleon launched at the Kremlin; or this thing is just going to shrivel up and die for lack of artillery rounds.
 
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LouderVol said:
the only way your cat was dead was after that cat started killing others. What would Ukraine/NATO have done if Russia never invades? The answer is nothing, just like they had been doing since the 50s.
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Nothing? Ok, lets be honest. Cut the BS. They wouldve continued their eastward creep as they have done for decades.
 
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LouderVol said:
what pre-2014 referendums? Got a link? Those areas have the same right to self determinate as Ukraine does, free of outside interference. Lets remove the Russians, keep the Ukrainians out, and then let them decide.
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You need to read more. You seem woefully uninformed.
 
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AM64 said:
That's a lot like saying parts of Florida are closely aligned with NJ and NY because of the snowbirds, and claiming that FL is more a yankee damn state than a southern state. If the riff-raff would just stay home ...
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Actually, it is nothing like that.
 
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volgr said:
LSE?? Not a great source. Might as well quote CNN.
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Do you have any idea what LSE is? Outside of Oxford and Cambridge, maybe the top university in the UK.

"LSE alumni and faculty include 55 past or present heads of state or government and 18 Nobel laureates. As of 2017, 27% (or 13 out of 49) of all Nobel Memorial Prizes in Economics have been awarded or jointly awarded to LSE alumni, current staff, or former staff, who consequently comprise 16% (13 out of 79) of all Nobel Memorial Prize laureates. LSE alumni and faculty have also won 3 Nobel Peace Prizes and 2 Nobel Prizes in Literature.[13][14] Out of all European universities, LSE has educated the most billionaires (11) according to a 2014 global census of US dollar billionaires.[15]"

Of course you didn't know that. I doubt they teach that at Russian Troll U.
 
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volgr said:
Nothing? Ok, lets be honest. Cut the BS. They wouldve continued their eastward creep as they have done for decades.
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And Russia has been just fine. again, if NATO didn't invade in 1991, they are never going to invade. and they certainly never took military action to push NATO towards Russia.

As Russia proved in 2022, all those old soviet republics or Warsaw Pact nations were justified to want to be part of NATO.
 
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volgr said:
Actually, it is nothing like that.
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Russians with money were in Crimea because they like the weather and beaches better there than the ones on the Artic side of things. People in Crimea speak Russian for the same reason people in other Soviet countries spoke Russian ... it tended to keep them out of prison ... or not dead.
 
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volgr said:
NATO being a threat to Russia was a sort of Shrodinger's cat. Russia claimed it, NATO denied it. It wasnt until the war opened the proverbial box to find the cat was indeed dead or in other words, Russias assumptions were correct. At this point it doesnt really matter where NATO is, Russia now knows their true intention.

As for big moves, I am talking about Russia making big moves on the battlefield specifically, not calling up 500k reserves. As for Bakhmut, it was definitely a trap for Ukrainians. The loss of life over the last few months for Ukraine is staggering and likely has cost them what little chance they had to win this. Bakhmut, once finally cleared and taken will be a huge victory for Russia and open up not only a much easier westward expansion but make life easier for areas to the east who were being indiscriminately shelled by Ukraine from Bakhmut.
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100% bullsh*t. Literally everything you post.

"LIFE OF A RUSSIAN TROLL"
 
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MontyPython said:
UAF hitting beaucoup oil depots lately. Hard for Ivan to defend against the forthcoming counteroffensive without... fuel.
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Just how incompetent are these Russian clowns. They know should know the kind of targets Ukraine will go after. Hell somebody waltzed in and dropped a firebomb on the Kremlin dome for God's sake. The fkng pinnacle of the Kremlin.
 
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MontyPython said:
100% bullsh*t. Literally everything you post.

"LIFE OF A RUSSIAN TROLL"
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I think it's funny.

No chance he believes anything he's putting out. Again, I'm convinced he's a Rasputin vol sock puppet that he trots out to make his Ras posts try and look sane by direct comparison. (it's not working)
 
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