War in Ukraine

[tntar heel]

Younger guy fights like a girl.

He got the flag back though.

 

[TVOLS]

That Time US Forces Tore Hundreds of Russian Wagner Group Mercenaries to Pieces in Syria

This should be posted in this thread every few days for a reminder what would happen to Russian troops inside Ukraine if NATO air power gets involved.

 

[TVOLS]

Russian mercenary chief Prigozhin says his forces will leave Bakhmut next week

 

[FLVOL_79]

They could beat our little boy/girly they/them sissyfied military. Might as well just put drag queens on the front lines to fight.

Any of those types (along with most democrats) don't do the actual fighting in the military. Just a FYI.

 

[volgr]

I don't know why you all engage these two. They are liars. Not willing to debate in reality. It's a waste. They are a waste. Shameful humans. Not bc they disagree. They are waste bc they are massive liars

Weird how your side called me crazy when I said kill ratios were probably 4 or 5:1. Only to find out they were closer to 7:1. Your side has been caught multiple times putting out incorrect info. Ghost of Kiev? Snake Island? Russia blew up their own gas pipeline? And the list goes on and on.

I have made a couple of incorrect assumptions and I have admitted that. You dont want people to engage us, not because we are liars, but because we keep winning most of these debates. We keep being proven correct.

 

[TVOLS]

Getting heated at every level.

 

[LouderVol]

Do they necessarily have to cross the border to be a threat? If Russia placed tanks and weapons on the US border in Mexico, I'm sure we would not have any reaction...

link to Ukraine putting tanks on the Russian border? Because that was definitely the other way around. Russia put tanks on the Ukrainian border, and then crossed. But somehow Russia actually doing the invasion is less bad in your eyes than the possible threat that Ukraine may at some point might be able to put some tanks on the border, but not ever cross.

it would be funny, but at this point we have been reading the same bs from you for almost a decade.

 

[LouderVol]

Do they necessarily have to cross the border to be a threat? If Russia placed tanks and weapons on the US border in Mexico, I'm sure we would not have any reaction...

so the paranoia of a made up threat is somehow worse than the actual invasion....yeah that doesn't make sense.

 

[LouderVol]

deleted, double post

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[evillawyer]

So much for that hypersonic missile being uninterceptable.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

This should be posted in this thread every few days for a reminder what would happen to Russian troops inside Ukraine if NATO air power gets involved.

It would be an absolute thrashing. The Russians only battlefield threat is their nuclear arsenal. Yes that is a massive threat, but for a few exceptions their conventional tactics and technology are second rate.

 

[LouderVol]

Taiwan has the right to self-determination, but not Crimea.

Taiwan has the right to break away from China, but Crimea cannot breakaway from Ukraine.

Taiwan and China are at war, and have been since the 20's. I must have missed Crimea's hundred year long civil war with Ukraine.

technically China is still western Taiwan, using the lingo of today. the ROC were in charge of most of mainland China through the 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s, and into the 50s. The ROC had defeated the PRC at least twice in the early 20th century, going into the war with the Japs (part of WW2), the PRC was down to a single region and the only reason they weren't crushed was because the Japs required all of the ROC's attention. after WW2 the ROC was so weakened, and the PRC had been able to assemble their forces without losing much, and were able to strike back at the ROC. Eventually pushing them off the mainland. Just like the PRC didn't surrender when they were stuck in Shanxi, the ROC haven't surrendered when pushed back to Taiwan.

neither of you have yet to provide any proof of this self determination from Crimea before Russia invaded.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Weird how your side called me crazy when I said kill ratios were probably 4 or 5:1. Only to find out they were closer to 7:1. Your side has been caught multiple times putting out incorrect info. Ghost of Kiev? Snake Island? Russia blew up their own gas pipeline? And the list goes on and on.

I have made a couple of incorrect assumptions and I have admitted that. You dont want people to engage us, not because we are liars, but because we keep winning most of these debates. We keep being proven correct.

Tell me you are pretending to be an American without telling me you are pretending to be an American.

Bless your heart Ivan. Is this your quarterly return to the boards as mandated by your Russian bosses?

 

[FLVOL_79]

It would be an absolute thrashing. The Russians only battlefield threat is their nuclear arsenal. Yes that is a massive threat, but for a few exceptions their conventional tactics and technology are second rate.

Thats assuming that that their nuclear arsenal is event combat ready. After looking at the rest of their troops and hardware, I'd say probably not even remotely close.

 

[LouderVol]

Not sure if they did or not. That isn't the point. The point is not whether the former Warsaw Pact nations WANTED to join NATO. The burden was on NATO (as a self-proclaimed "defensive" alliance) to have the awareness and sense to not invite these countries into NATO because they had known and were made aware that NATO moving east was a Russian security concern. Its just simple diplomatic common sense. America expects the world to respect our security concerns not just on this hemisphere, but in Israel, Taiwan, and any other place on this planet. But for Russia to expect to have a buffer between NATO and themselves is unreasonable and not to be respected. Same goes with China and their region of influence.

If Russia was so worried about NATO why did they try to join? And yes that was Putin. Seems like they thought NATO wasn't so bad then.

and the US security concerns are "we don't want nations to invade other nations, and yes we are willing to back that up with violence." so yes, that does conflict with Russia's "security concern" of "We should be able to invade whomever we want". and yes that is the entire point of a defensive alliance, to keep nations from invading others, so its not contradictory.

Unlike Russia and its CTSO with Armenia, the US is actually willing and able to fulfill its requirements.

 

[LouderVol]

Asking for independence would be too much of an open move to make. So we hide behind weasel actions. The US on the one hand publicly says they support the One China policy, but them goes in and creates a hostile anti-mainland sentiment in Taiwan and sends arms and equipment to them.

It would be like China sending arms to Guam and Russia sending arms to Puerto Rico.

I must have missed Guam and Puerto Rico still being at war with the US, and having maintained it for 100 years. Not even sure we were ever at war with those two to start. just like North and South Korea still technically being at war, the ROC and PRC are still at war, with no formal peace treaty.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Tell me you are pretending to be an American without telling me you are pretending to be an American.

Bless your heart Ivan. Is this your quarterly return to the boards as mandated by your Russian bosses?

I noticed that too comrade. Haha

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[Septic]

Weird how your side called me crazy when I said kill ratios were probably 4 or 5:1. Only to find out they were closer to 7:1. Your side has been caught multiple times putting out incorrect info. Ghost of Kiev? Snake Island? Russia blew up their own gas pipeline? And the list goes on and on.

I have made a couple of incorrect assumptions and I have admitted that. You dont want people to engage us, not because we are liars, but because we keep winning most of these debates. We keep being proven correct.

Your delusion knows no limits.

You're like Baghdad Bob with a much lower IQ.

 

[LouderVol]

Weird how your side called me crazy when I said kill ratios were probably 4 or 5:1. Only to find out they were closer to 7:1. Your side has been caught multiple times putting out incorrect info. Ghost of Kiev? Snake Island? Russia blew up their own gas pipeline? And the list goes on and on.

I have made a couple of incorrect assumptions and I have admitted that. You dont want people to engage us, not because we are liars, but because we keep winning most of these debates. We keep being proven correct.

what have you admitted? You won't even acknowledge the sound recordings of the high up Russians describing what they were going to do to Ukraine back in 2014. You won't ever acknowledge Prigozhin's near constant comments about Wagner's losses or ammunition problem. you never admit being wrong, you just drop the obvious bs and pick up the next story without skipping a beat.

 

[Septic]

Russia is laughably pathetic.

 

[LouderVol]

Lol, you are truly delusional.
Russia cannot meet arms delivery commitments because of war, Indian Air Force says

another piece they refuse to acknowledge.

 

[Septic]

what have you admitted? You won't even acknowledge the sound recordings of the high up Russians describing what they were going to do to Ukraine back in 2014. You won't ever acknowledge Prigozhin's near constant comments about Wagner's losses or ammunition problem. you never admit being wrong, you just drop the obvious bs and pick up the next story without skipping a beat.

It's best just to mock these moscals.

You'd have more luck of successfully teaching calculus to a toddler than having a reasonable conversation with these blockheads.