War in Ukraine

[KB5252]

To answer the question the tweet posed. When confronted with a choice between shathole and turd sandwich......

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, care to explain?

This guy better have eyes in the back of his head.....Ras is going to shank him.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I am surprised this dude hasn't ingested some polonium yet.

He can afford a food taster and the carpenters he hires are likely skilled enough to install functional locks on windows above the basement level.

 

[MontyPython]

Seems that Prigozhin has eviscerated Russia's non-existent rational for attacking Ukraine.

Our poor resident Stooges just got neutered.

Yevgeny Prigozhin says Ukraine did not bomb the Donbas for 8 years and other inflammatory statements criticizing the Russian MoD

 

[evillawyer]

I am surprised this dude hasn't ingested some polonium yet.

I think the only thing keeping him alive is that Wagner is loyal to him, not Putin, and Putin still needs Wagner.

I am surprised this dude hasn't ingested some polonium yet.

Or walked by some slippery windows that happen to be open.

 

[evillawyer]

Interesting take on what Prigozhin is up to

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[evillawyer]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, just wanting your confident assurance that Russia is still winning this 3 day special military operation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, care to explain?

It's an interesting revelation. There is possibly some truth in it or there may be a mix of truth and distortions based on Prigozhin's relationship with the Russian MoD. Unlike most of you assume, I'm not a sheeple here driven by an ideological or racist drive to see Russia fall. My main two objectives is for peace and for the destruction of our MIC and ruling class in America (Biden, Graham, neocons, Blackrock, etc). But if there is info out there that may be uncomfortable to deal with, I'm not going to automatically dismiss it as propaganda. There is a very distinct possibility that Prigozhin could be right on certain things said here (assuming the translation is legit... coming from Gerashchenko, who knows) and equally possible that he is saying this to attack the Russian MoD. Prigozhin has a better track record with regards to truth than anyone I've seen on the Ukrainian/NATO side, so I will consider this data point. One more thing, there are plenty of other videos and stories by the people that live in Donbas that say the opposite with regards to the attacks on civilians. With regards to the Kyiv regime planning an offensive on the Donbas in late February/early March 2022, I'm 50/50 on that. I really haven't been able to use that as one of the justifications for the 02/24/2022 SMO. There were several other reasons that I think were more "reasonable" and verifiable. I say "reasonable" because using that as a justification also sets up the justification for the US and Israel to take pre-emptive actions on Palestinians and Iran, for example.

Now in turn, would like to give an honest explanation of what Putin is saying here, or are you going to fall back on your ad hominems and "Pootin propaganda" stuff? Simply put, if the shoe was on the other foot, would the US expect Russia or China to respect our security concerns within this hemisphere?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Interesting take on what Prigozhin is up to

Keep this in mind when you are analyzing this. Let's not pretend Prigozhin doesn't have other motives.

He cleverly avoids though naming the Kremlin, directly, and goes after the Russian MoD instead, a tactic he has been using ever since. It tells us that Prigozhin does not want to alter the system, he wants to inherit it and goes after the weakest link, namely Shoigu and the rest of his incompetent entourage. Once he has removed this obstacle he would have solidified his power as being the strongest man in Russia after the president's office. This will position himself as the immediate successor of Putin without overthrowing him directly but instead pushing him to the sidelines. How this can be accomplished we saw when Yeltsin stepped down for Putin.

 

[LouderVol]

It's an interesting revelation. There is possibly some truth in it or there may be a mix of truth and distortions based on Prigozhin's relationship with the Russian MoD. Unlike most of you assume, I'm not a sheeple here driven by an ideological or racist drive to see Russia fall. My main two objectives is for peace and for the destruction of our MIC and ruling class in America (Biden, Graham, neocons, Blackrock, etc). But if there is info out there that may be uncomfortable to deal with, I'm not going to automatically dismiss it as propaganda. There is a very distinct possibility that Prigozhin could be right on certain things said here (assuming the translation is legit... coming from Gerashchenko, who knows) and equally possible that he is saying this to attack the Russian MoD. Prigozhin has a better track record with regards to truth than anyone I've seen on the Ukrainian/NATO side, so I will consider this data point. One more thing, there are plenty of other videos and stories by the people that live in Donbas that say the opposite with regards to the attacks on civilians. With regards to the Kyiv regime planning an offensive on the Donbas in late February/early March 2022, I'm 50/50 on that. I really haven't been able to use that as one of the justifications for the 02/24/2022 SMO. There were several other reasons that I think were more "reasonable" and verifiable. I say "reasonable" because using that as a justification also sets up the justification for the US and Israel to take pre-emptive actions on Palestinians and Iran, for example.

Now in turn, would like to give an honest explanation of what Putin is saying here, or are you going to fall back on your ad hominems and "Pootin propaganda" stuff? Simply put, if the shoe was on the other foot, would the US expect Russia or China to respect our security concerns within this hemisphere?

they clearly don't. China is continuing to build up its presence in Cuba, the spy camp is just the most recent. Russia has had troops In Nicaragua and one of its neighbors. and we haven't invaded any of the recent culprits. Even the Bay of Pigs was a far less US involvement than what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

 

[LouderVol]

Keep this in mind when you are analyzing this. Let's not pretend Prigozhin doesn't have other motives.

every. single. person. involved in this has a reason to lie about the ongoing war. you just never accept that Russia MIGHT be lying about things.

 

[evillawyer]

It's an interesting revelation. There is possibly some truth in it or there may be a mix of truth and distortions based on Prigozhin's relationship with the Russian MoD. Unlike most of you assume, I'm not a sheeple here driven by an ideological or racist drive to see Russia fall. My main two objectives is for peace and for the destruction of our MIC and ruling class in America (Biden, Graham, neocons, Blackrock, etc). But if there is info out there that may be uncomfortable to deal with, I'm not going to automatically dismiss it as propaganda. There is a very distinct possibility that Prigozhin could be right on certain things said here (assuming the translation is legit... coming from Gerashchenko, who knows) and equally possible that he is saying this to attack the Russian MoD. Prigozhin has a better track record with regards to truth than anyone I've seen on the Ukrainian/NATO side, so I will consider this data point. One more thing, there are plenty of other videos and stories by the people that live in Donbas that say the opposite with regards to the attacks on civilians. With regards to the Kyiv regime planning an offensive on the Donbas in late February/early March 2022, I'm 50/50 on that. I really haven't been able to use that as one of the justifications for the 02/24/2022 SMO. There were several other reasons that I think were more "reasonable" and verifiable. I say "reasonable" because using that as a justification also sets up the justification for the US and Israel to take pre-emptive actions on Palestinians and Iran, for example.

Now in turn, would like to give an honest explanation of what Putin is saying here, or are you going to fall back on your ad hominems and "Pootin propaganda" stuff? Simply put, if the shoe was on the other foot, would the US expect Russia or China to respect our security concerns within this hemisphere?

So, the argument is "we invaded Ukraine so we won't have NATO on our border." But if they took Ukraine --as was their goal -- they'd have NATO all along that new border. Plus, Ukraine wasn't anywhere near NATO membership. It's a bullsh*t argument to cover for their expansionist motives. You know that's the case.

 

[LouderVol]

So, the argument is "we invaded Ukraine so we won't have NATO on our border." But if they took Ukraine --as was their goal -- they'd have NATO all along that new border. Plus, Ukraine wasn't anywhere near NATO membership. It's a bullsh*t argument to cover for their expansionist motives. You know that's the case.

It was a self-fulfilling justification. Russia's actions made the thing they were against far far more likely than if Russia had done nothing. Thus Russia is able to justify their past actions by the future actions of other nations.

It took 10 months from Finland's formal proposal to join NATO to when it was finally accepted. Sweden has still yet to officially join. And all of that came from the sped up time line with Russia invading its neighbors. Ukraine hadn't even started the process, and there was no invasion to fast track their membership. Ukraine joining NATO, or NATO launching attacks into Russia from Ukraine was completely made up bs.

 

[Septic]

Seems that Prigozhin has eviscerated Russia's non-existent rational for attacking Ukraine.

Our poor resident Stooges just got neutered.

Yevgeny Prigozhin says Ukraine did not bomb the Donbas for 8 years and other inflammatory statements criticizing the Russian MoD

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LOL, like this was always his fallback backstop. When all of his other nonsense fell flat he always rolled this ball out on to the field.

Brutal.

I guess @Rasputin_Vol will have to go back to ****looks at excuse flow chart**** "gay nazi's"

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So, the argument is "we invaded Ukraine so we won't have NATO on our border." But if they took Ukraine --as was their goal -- they'd have NATO all along that new border.

No evidence of that anywhere. Plus, NATO wouldn't be where it is right now if they would have kept their promise of expanding eastward 30 years ago.

Plus, Ukraine wasn't anywhere near NATO membership. It's a bullsh*t argument to cover for their expansionist motives. You know that's the case.

It looks like Ukraine didn't need to be in NATO. They are arming and training the Ukrainians anyways. The result is the same. NATO is putting military assets in Ukraine and has been for close to a decade. And the West has been interfering with Ukrainian politics for at least two decades since the 2004 color revolution.

But you still didn't give an honest replay to my question. Had Russia or China done the same thing in Mexico or Cuba, how would the US react? If you can't give an honest answer to that, then we have nothing else to talk about going forward.

 

[BeardedVol]

No evidence of that anywhere. Plus, NATO wouldn't be where it is right now if they would have kept their promise of expanding eastward 30 years ago.


It looks like Ukraine didn't need to be in NATO. They are arming and training the Ukrainians anyways. The result is the same. NATO is putting military assets in Ukraine and has been for close to a decade. And the West has been interfering with Ukrainian politics for at least two decades since the 2004 color revolution.

But you still didn't give an honest replay to my question. Had Russia or China done the same thing in Mexico or Cuba, how would the US react? If you can't give an honest answer to that, then we have nothing else to talk about going forward.

Lol, the result is "not the same".

Article 5 is why Russia is left the former Warsaw Pact counties who were able to Jon NATO, alone.

It's also why there's not been a peep from Russia about attacking Finland after I joined NATO.

 

[LouderVol]

No evidence of that anywhere. Plus, NATO wouldn't be where it is right now if they would have kept their promise of expanding eastward 30 years ago.


It looks like Ukraine didn't need to be in NATO. They are arming and training the Ukrainians anyways. The result is the same. NATO is putting military assets in Ukraine and has been for close to a decade. And the West has been interfering with Ukrainian politics for at least two decades since the 2004 color revolution.

But you still didn't give an honest replay to my question. Had Russia or China done the same thing in Mexico or Cuba, how would the US react? If you can't give an honest answer to that, then we have nothing else to talk about going forward.

There was no promise. That was just Russia making an assumption to make themselves feel better about their collapse.

This is no where close to same result as if Ukraine was in NATO, not for US, not for Ukraine, and not for Russia. again you have just completely forgotten what real war looks like between major powers. That has lead to you downshifting your standards to artificially raising what is going on today with what has actually happened in the past.

Russia has been interfering in Ukrainian politics far longer than 2004, the sanctity of Ukrainian governance isn't a point you can argue.

We did try that with Cuba, and it was far less than what Russia has done. We sent back a bunch of Cubans to go fight Cuba with the promise of support. Russia has straight up invaded Ukraine with its full blown military might and had to tripple their army to keep what they have.

 

[evillawyer]

Hate to see it. You really do.

 

[Burhead]

 

[KB5252]

Hate to see it. You really do.

This was inevitable. Prigozhin has been very vocal recently. This could get interesting.

 

[KB5252]

About Prigozhin you think?

 

[MontyPython]

Hate to see it. You really do.

If true, holy crap.

Buh bye Russia.

 

[Burhead]

 

[evillawyer]

If true, holy crap.

Buh bye Russia.

LMAO

 

[KB5252]

If true Prigozhin is toast, no resupply and he can't carry the fight.

Edit to add:

But this also makes him a dead man, do he would either have to fight to the death or try to make an exit with enough of his men....... This is going to be interesting to watch play out.