War in Ukraine

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evillawyer said:
Hey Ras, what Russian central bank doing?

Russia plans a digital version of the ruble after an 19% slide against the dollar this year
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Yeah, the Russian economy is in free fall. Russians will be out on the streets marching. Meanwhile...

Russia Ready to Supply Free Grain to African Countries -Kremlin

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday that Russia is offering to replace Ukrainian grain supplies to needy countries free of charge after withdrawing from the grain deal.

Speaking to reporters, Peskov said that "the poorest countries in Africa have benefited the least" from the Black Sea initiative for Ukrainian grain exports.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Just a point here, our FF began almost immediately upon independence usurping territory from other nations like the Cherokee, the Seminole, etc. VERY early in our history. It was definitely intervention. It was very close to genocide.

America saw from the start our "right" to expand West and we had little to no regard for any nations that might be there.
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i mean you are right, but I would consider it genocide and not intervention. maybe its a semantics thing, buts thats a good bit different imo. we weren't intervening in their politics or their inter tribal relations to get them to align with us. We were killing them off to take their land.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, the Russian economy is in free fall. Russians will be out on the streets marching. Meanwhile...

Russia Ready to Supply Free Grain to African Countries -Kremlin

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday that Russia is offering to replace Ukrainian grain supplies to needy countries free of charge after withdrawing from the grain deal.

Speaking to reporters, Peskov said that "the poorest countries in Africa have benefited the least" from the Black Sea initiative for Ukrainian grain exports.
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ah, right. Russia started this war to help out the starving Africans.

Its such a governmental way of thinking.
Step One. Create Problem, invade Ukraine and target shipping, leading to less wheat getting out
Step Two. Blame Someone else, Ukraine, the west, nazis, gays
Step Three. provide a non-permanent solution that doesn't really address the core issue that you created. provide grain from land you stole to those African nations, as if it will actually get to the people who need it.
 
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LouderVol said:
ah, right. Russia started this war to help out the starving Africans.

Its such a governmental way of thinking.
Step One. Create Problem, invade Ukraine and target shipping, leading to less wheat getting out
Step Two. Blame Someone else, Ukraine, the west, nazis, gays
Step Three. provide a non-permanent solution that doesn't really address the core issue that you created. provide grain from land you stole to those African nations, as if it will actually get to the people who need it.
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It's all been a ruse to corner the discount African market for grain sales.
 
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Good read. Also works as kryptonite on @Rasputin_Vol.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-was-never-about-nato/

"It is clear from Putin’s own actions that he understands perfectly well NATO will never attack Russia. This should come as no surprise. Indeed, the entire notion of NATO invading Russia is recognized as absurd by all but the terminally swivel-eyed. This does not mean Russian objections to NATO’s post-1991 enlargement are entirely insincere; on the contrary, the growing presence of the Alliance in the former Eastern Bloc over the past thirty years is perhaps the leading source of geopolitical bitterness and resentment throughout the Russian establishment. However, it is critical to clarify that this indignation has nothing to do with legitimate security concerns. NATO is not a threat to Russian security; NATO is a threat to Russian foreign policy because it prevents Russia from bullying its neighbors. In other words, NATO enlargement is no more or less provocative than a burglar alarm is to a thief."
 
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LouderVol said:
i mean you are right, but I would consider it genocide and not intervention. maybe its a semantics thing, buts thats a good bit different imo. we weren't intervening in their politics or their inter tribal relations to get them to align with us. We were killing them off to take their land.
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That is mixing the past and the present. Conquest - forceful taking of territory by a stronger group was the accepted norm. That largely morphed into squabbles between kingdoms or individual nations once the world got a few overzealous types like Napoleon out of the system; of course, there was still colonialism. Most of those issues like genocide, encroachment, and enslavement except in places like Africa have largely resolved. True some troublemakers (Putin comes to mind) in the more civil parts just can't leave things alone, but largely we've evolved to respecting borders and how other countries conduct themselves internally ... as long as we can tamp down the thought of world order from the unelected in places like the UN.

Best to leave what's in the past in the past, while remembering we aren't those people. To do otherwise is the basis for "white guilt" or whatever, and things we could have done nothing at all about - unless someone has a time machine to go back and do a great reset, and good luck with what that might put into play.
 
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