War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
#4 seems less like being incompetent or untrained, and much more like facing an obstacle that have few solutions and none of those being good solutions. I still think we'd have much the same problem. Maybe we'd find a solution in carpet bombing the minefield with B-52s or something similar ... not an option available to Ukrainian commanders. We might also use airpower to work over the people on the other side of the minefields and lessen the impact of the minefields, again not an option for Ukrainian commanders.
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You act as though this would be an option for the US.
 
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Burhead said:
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LOL, so they made a previous order of 4 back in 2021.

Poland Purchases Four New S-70i Black Hawk Helicopters

Poland will pay 666 million Polish złoty (US$ 162.5 million) for four new S-70i Black Hawk helicopters (including logistics and training) as part of the approved contract, which would improve the capabilities of its special forces. The first two of the four new S-70i Black Hawk helicopters, which will be built at Lockheed Martin’s PZL Mielec facility, Poland’s largest aircraft manufacturer, will be delivered to the Polish Special Forces in 2023, with the remaining helicopters arriving in late October 2024.
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I might have been overly optimistic to say 2030 for 20-32 Black Hawks.
 
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Worth noting that this new decree from Luka was announced after he arrives in St. Petersburg to meet with Putin. I also wonder if the deployment of Wagner to Belarus is a way to force actual involvement of the Belarus into the war effort?
 
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Burhead said:
Worth noting that this new decree from Luka was announced after he arrives in St. Petersburg to meet with Putin. I also wonder if the deployment of Wagner to Belarus is a way to force actual involvement of the Belarus into the war effort?
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It’s hard to see Belarus sitting out much longer.
 
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C/O said:
It’s hard to see Belarus sitting out much longer.
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It's a client system play by Putin. His calculations in this thing have been wrong at every turn. Testing NATO like this would not end well for Belarussian leadership. Either we'll cancel them or Putin will.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Tricky Dick with the prophecy on the current situation in Ukraine and rise to power of the bald dwarf.

Declassified Richard Nixon letter to President Clinton proves prophetic on Russia
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Interesting. I have always believed that Nixon was a better president than people past or present think. The two big issues that took place under his administration that I believe were wrong were the change to floating currencies and opening the door with China. China was probably on Nixon; the currency issue was a bunch of nonsense sold by economists ... likely presented as too lofty for commoners to understand because it just didn't make sense in the first place - you just don't take a unit of measure off a standard - that's insane. Nixon was as basically as unliked by the press then as Trump was after becoming president and putting the dems out of the WH. Nixon probably had a better handle on world affairs than the entire State Dept ... not all that difficult. We really need to get the ivy leaguers out of DC and especially out of policy making; it's an incestuous relationship, and they've been screwing it all up for years.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm aware there were hawks sent in the past. My thing is that for the US, that is all we have left to give. If we really want Ukraine to succeed and be armed properly, we would be sending them more of those glorious Patriot systems.
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Why send an expensive missile to destroy a target that isn't capable of evasion when you have a cheaper solution?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You act as though this would be an option for the US.
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Well Gen Ras what's your solution for minefields with artillery covering them? How would you go about clearing the minefields knowing that artillery could rain down on you during the process? Remember the Russians have been using cluster munitions meaning close is probably good enough. You walk out on that field feeling lucky, or have you got a solution nobody else seems to have figured out?
 
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AM64 said:
Interesting. I have always believed that Nixon was a better president than people past or present think. The two big issues that took place under his administration that I believe were wrong were the change to floating currencies and opening the door with China. China was probably on Nixon; the currency issue was a bunch of nonsense sold by economists ... likely presented as too lofty for commoners to understand because it just didn't make sense in the first place - you just don't take a unit of measure off a standard - that's insane. Nixon was as basically as unliked by the press then as Trump was after becoming president and putting the dems out of the WH. Nixon probably had a better handle on world affairs than the entire State Dept ... not all that difficult. We really need to get the ivy leaguers out of DC and especially out of policy making; it's an incestuous relationship, and they've been screwing it all up for years.
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1. Keep in mind that the USSR and China had a brief skirmish going in the late 1960s leading up to the US opening the door. It seems clear that the intent was to play China against the Soviets.

2. Between NASA, the Vietnam War and LBJ's Great Society, the US was printing more money than was backed by the gold it possessed. Charles de Gaulle began redeeming dollars for gold after the French noticed Vietnam (a former French colony) being flooded with dollars and he began to realize what was going on. The closing of the gold window was a default by the United States. We prevented the conversion of these excess dollars to gold that would have emptied our reserves. I don't necessarily place all the blame on Nixon, but him lying about the gold window being closed "temporarily" was completely on himself.
 
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AM64 said:
Well Gen Ras what's your solution for minefields with artillery covering them?
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Sometimes the cure is in prevention.

You don't demand an offensive when the military is ill-equipped and has no air cover or cover from the terrain (flat steppe and farmland).

It really isn't that hard to understand.
 
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headhunter15 said:


Are they wanting to drag NATO into this mess?
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headhunter15 said:


Are they wanting to drag NATO into this mess?
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1. Luka is trolling. Poland will be forced to commit forces on its own border instead of worrying about some "humanitarian mission" in Western Ukraine
2. Even if what Luka is saying is true, the same thing I saw during the alleged Wagner coup applies here: They don't have the numbers to take Warsaw or the means. Everyone (including Wagner itself) realize this
3. At this moment in time, I'm 50/50 on if NATO would really put it's neck out for Poland.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Luka is trolling. Poland will be forced to commit forces on its own border instead of worrying about some "humanitarian mission" in Western Ukraine
2. Even if what Luka is saying is true, the same thing I saw during the alleged Wagner coup applies here: They don't have the numbers to take Warsaw or the means. Everyone (including Wagner itself) realize this
3. At this moment in time, I'm 50/50 on if NATO would really put it's neck out for Poland.
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Damn son, rolling through all three phases of Russian denial in a single post.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
3. At this moment in time, I'm 50/50 on if NATO would really put it's neck out for Poland.
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LMAO.

Attacking Poland would be the death knell of Putin.

Probability of happening?

0.00%

This more we hear this kind of of ludicrous drivel, the more we know Putin is becoming increasingly desperate.
 
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