War in Ukraine

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hey Ras, has Russia maintained its 300 missile attacks a night? you promised us Russia wasn't running out of missiles. the only recent attack I can remember of any volume was the grain port and church in Odessa.

surely Russia hasn't run out of missiles right?
 
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LouderVol said:
its very likely true. especially near the front lines.

further back you have an argument against a strike serving a real purpose, ie Moscow and Kiev. but close to the front lines you are going to see collateral in even modern wars with all our advanced equipment.
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I don't see a lot of upside in lobbing shells into the city, if that's what they're doing.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I don't see a lot of upside in lobbing shells into the city, if that's what they're doing.
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same military purpose as sending drones to Moscow. of course these are the "rebels" who started this whole mess.

at some point we just have to realize war sucks. When you have two fairly close in power nations fighting its going to be a lot messier to determine the winner because they are evenly matched. This is more like Iran and Iraq fighting, rather than the US and Iraq fighting.
 
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Senate REJECTS appointment of Inspector General to account for BILLIONS of US dollars sent to Ukraine

Can't have someone auditing the cash cow.
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That’s crazy for as much money as is involved it absolutely requires focused oversight. I saw Rand Paul voted against it which I thought was mind boggling till I read this farther down in the article.

For the second year in a row, Senator Paul attempted to add his own oversight amendment to the NDAA which would have "extended the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction’s (SIGAR) oversight authority to supervise American spending to Ukraine in order to detect and prevent waste, fraud, and abuse." His amendment was voted down 78-20.

Journalist Glenn Greenwald noted that Paul voted against amendment 1055 "because he wants the existing [Inspector General] to do this, not create a new agency for it."
 
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LouderVol said:
same military purpose as sending drones to Moscow. of course these are the "rebels" who started this whole mess.

at some point we just have to realize war sucks. When you have two fairly close in power nations fighting its going to be a lot messier to determine the winner because they are evenly matched. This is more like Iran and Iraq fighting, rather than the US and Iraq fighting.
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Not the same.

You can make a humanitarian case against the drones to Moscow, but it does put marginal fear in Russians citizens , and makes the consequences of war more concrete to them.

Shelling Donetsk, you're shelling your own country/citizens.
 
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Ukrainian Beavers on the prowl in Moscow. How these big, slow UAVs are able to get through downtown Moscow airspace and hit high value office buildings is mind-boggling pathetic.

Reportedly more hits are occurring now (evening there).

These attacks show how remarkably weak Putin is right now.

Also of interest, in the 1st video, the UAV's prop buzz can be heard right before it hits, then @volgr can clearly be heard. Good to hear "he's" alive and well-ish in Russia.







 
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MontyPython said:
Ukrainian Beavers on the prowl in Moscow. How these UAVs are able to get through Moscow airspace and hit high value office buildings is mind-boggling pathetic.

Reportedly more hits are occurring now (evening there).

Also of interest, @volgr can clearly be heard in the first tweet video.







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Moscow looks a little more modern than I thought it would.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Moscow looks a little more modern than I thought it would.
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Yep. Moscow and St. Petersburg are the crown jewels of the country. The rest of the country is largely agrarian and toilet-free.

It's crazy that Ukraine can hit downtown Moscow with these new UAVs. It's 450 kms from the border of Ukraine to Moscow... this would be like us being able to hit DC with drones launched from here in the Outer Banks of NC.

WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING?!?!
 
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MontyPython said:
Ukrainian Beavers on the prowl in Moscow. How these big, slow UAVs are able to get through downtown Moscow airspace and hit high value office buildings is mind-boggling pathetic.

Reportedly more hits are occurring now (evening there).

These attacks show how remarkably weak Putin is right now.

Also of interest, in the 1st video, the UAV's prop buzz can be heard right before it hits, then @volgr can clearly be heard. Good to hear "he's" alive and well-ish in Russia.







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In other news, Buc-ee's continues to amaze with the sheer variety of its product offerings...brisket sammiches, beaver nuggets, beaver drones, etc.
 
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More evidence that Russia is losing its naval grip around Ukraine. The truth, of course, is that if they hit allied ships, they open the door to potential NATO Article 5.

Guessing the Bald Dwarf knows that would be his death knell.

"...Twenty-two days after Moscow canceled a deal with Kyiv—which had allowed Ukraine safely to export tens of millions of tons of grain—and then threatened to halt maritime traffic to Ukrainian ports, the world has called the Russians’ bluff.

“Reports of three civilian ships sailing to Ukraine unhindered may suggest that Russia is either unwilling or unable to enforce such searches at this time,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. noted.

A flock of NATO aircraft carefully monitored the ships as they sailed toward Izmail, a small Ukrainian port just across from Romania on the Danube River. The vessels presumably will load grain in Izmail then sail back into the Black Sea and onward to foreign ports.

The Israeli vessel with the ship-tracking handle Ams1, as well as the Greek vessel with the handle Sahin 2, sailed north from the Bosporus Strait, while the Turkish-Georgian Yilmaz Kaptan sailed west from northern Turkey.

Overhead, no fewer than four NATO warplanes patrolled: a U.S. Navy P-8 patrol plane, a U.S. Army Challenger with a surface-scanning radar, a U.S. Air Force RQ-4 drone and an E-3 early-warning plane from NATO. None of the planes routinely carries weapons, but NATO fighters—including Italian Eurofighters and Romanian F-16s—were nearby in Romania."
 
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Velo Vol said:
Not the same.

You can make a humanitarian case against the drones to Moscow, but it does put marginal fear in Russians citizens , and makes the consequences of war more concrete to them.

Shelling Donetsk, you're shelling your own country/citizens.
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but Donetsk is on the front lines. Its not about justifying either to me, for both its war. they are both valid targets. Both are held by their enemy. They aren't going to be able to retake Donetsk without fighting over it. And that includes shelling it.

attacking population centers has never worked unless you are getting to the point of straight up demolishing the whole city. and really the only reason that was necessary and worked in WW2 is because we smashed the industry and couldn't do that without hitting the population centers. We even talked about this when Russia was shelling random Ukrainian cities in the west. All it does is solidify backing for the war amongst a population who was otherwise unaffected by it, and thus is probably not as supportive as someone who deals with the enemy daily. sure there is a little fear, but that has never shown to take away from a war.

If they are using drones, or smart munitions, it would be much more effective for Ukraine to target government, military, or industrial institutions. doing that would have an impact on the war.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That’s crazy for as much money as is involved it absolutely requires focused oversight. I saw Rand Paul voted against it which I thought was mind boggling till I read this farther down in the article.

For the second year in a row, Senator Paul attempted to add his own oversight amendment to the NDAA which would have "extended the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction’s (SIGAR) oversight authority to supervise American spending to Ukraine in order to detect and prevent waste, fraud, and abuse." His amendment was voted down 78-20.

Journalist Glenn Greenwald noted that Paul voted against amendment 1055 "because he wants the existing [Inspector General] to do this, not create a new agency for it."
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Nah, no money is being laundered in Ukraine, no payoffs, no theft.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol
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Dude, I'm just giving you a reason why no IG is needed. Why waste taxpayer money on an IG when there's no shenanigans going on? Congress is actually being responsible with our money.













Did I do it right? Do I get my Ukraine boot licker badge now?
 
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hog88 said:
Dude, I'm just giving you a reason why no IG is needed. Why waste taxpayer money on an IG when there's no shenanigans going on? Congress is actually being responsible with our money.













Did I do it right? Do I get my Ukraine boot licker badge now?
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Not from me you won’t. I understand why you don’t think we should be giving away support instead of selling it. We just disagree on that position is all.

And Congress is vacating their responsibility by not actively managing funds committed oversight as far as I’m concerned
 
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Not from me you won’t. I understand why you don’t think we should be giving away support instead of selling it. We just disagree on that position is all.

And Congress is vacating their responsibility by not actively managing funds committed oversight as far as I’m concerned
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Congress can't commit to oversight, it would defeat the purpose of sending all the funds.
 
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hog88 said:
Congress can't commit to oversight, it would defeat the purpose of sending all the funds.
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Lol cue the John Candy oh sure gif.

Read why Rand Paul voted no. He wanted to extend the authority of the already existing oversight IG created for Afghanistan. Thus of course there was no grift on Afghan funds amirite? 😂
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol cue the John Candy oh sure gif.

Read why Rand Paul voted no. He wanted to extend the authority of the already existing oversight IG created for Afghanistan. Thus of course there was no grift on Afghan funds amirite? 😂
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Sure there was but not on the magnitude that's happening in Ukraine and congress can't let that cat out of the bag. Hence no oversight.
 
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hog88 said:
Sure there was but not on the magnitude that's happening in Ukraine and congress can't let that cat out of the bag. Hence no oversight.
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Ok gotta actually use it this time 😂 as much money as was going to Afghanistan for as long as it was I’ve no doubt the associated grift far exceeded any grift on Ukraine this far. Hell they had 20X the time to do it.

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NorthDallas40 said:
Ok gotta actually use it this time 😂 as much money as was going to Afghanistan for as long as it was I’ve no doubt the associated grift far exceeded any grift on Ukraine this far. Hell they had 20X the time to do it.

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I'm sure there was a massive amount of grift with both Afghanistan and Iraq, so it makes all the graft in Ukraine acceptable?
 
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