War in Ukraine

[Velo Vol]

not that I have seen from outside the US, most comprehensive I have seen was for WW2.

Consumer spending in World War II: the forgotten consumer expenditure surveys : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
*note that this study says the spending went down on recreation but notes that price controls were present during wartime. and it includes a couple things I don't think of for recreation. They include education as entertainment, and don't really explain what personal care means, separated from medial care.

sounds like they spent more but moved it from some categories to another.

So, the opposite of what you said!

It should be obvious that away from the front people in wartime try to live normal lives as much as possible. I hadn't really seen that concept embodied in a study, though. Not that I ever looked.

 

[hog88]

No, he's saying this winter Russia will have more available. You can't just flip a switch and have instant artillery production.

That would suggest either Ukrainian forces are wasting shells faster than NATO can produce them or Russia is out producing NATO.

 

[Velo Vol]

That would suggest either Ukrainian forces are wasting shells faster than NATO can produce them or Russia is out producing NATO.

Or, Russia had a much larger inventory at the start of the war.

 

[clarksvol00]

Wait a second. This guy is trying to tell us that with all of the manufacturing might of NATO that Russia (essentially a 3rd world country) can outproduce the west in artillery? If that's the case we might as well pack up and cut our losses.

Ras is going to be upset about this. Apparently Russia is Sovereign Citizen's paradise.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Septic]

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Belarus, the last bastion of civility in eastern europe.

All countries should aspire to be as altruistic as to suggest Ukraine de-escalate while simaltaneously sucking on the teat of Putin while hosting Russia's shadow army, PMC Wagner.

You're the real hero Belarus.

 

[LouderVol]

So, the opposite of what you said!

It should be obvious that away from the front people in wartime try to live normal lives as much as possible. I hadn't really seen that concept embodied in a study, though. Not that I ever looked.

about half of their entertainment drop was from education. I don't consider that entertainment.

I mean I guess I am splitting hairs on their study, but I am defining entertainment by my personal standards, and not one that considers education entertainment.

 

[LouderVol]

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Wagner provokes Lithuania and Poland from Belarus. Belarus reaches out and is shocked they are greeted with hostility by the countries a mercenary force they are hosting pissed off?

that is not on Poland and Lithuania. Belarus needs to get Wagner in check first.

 

[MontyPython]

Looks like it's on in Robotyne.

Ukraine has apparently passed the landmine region in this zone and now has committed one of its top heavy mechanized brigades to hopefully breakthrough the set Russian lines that follow.

Hope they've softened up the Russian D enough to succeed.
Ukraine’s ‘Ridiculously Powerful’ 82nd Air Assault Brigade Is Finally in Action

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[KB5252]

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Let me get this straight.........Belarus is hosting a shadow army of mercenaries that is provoking it's host countries neighbors but somehow Belarus is acting as if it's neighbors misgivings are unreasonable?

This is circus clown level side show antics right here. Do you write for the Babylon Bee?

 

[MontyPython]

Amazes be how RUS commanders *know* the range of HIMARS, yet their forces behave with such impunity.

Scratch 10+ sitting ducks.

180,000 tungsten balls right up the keister.

 

[BeardedVol]

Amazes be how RUS commanders *know* the range of HIMARS, yet their forces behave with such impunity.

Scratch 10+ sitting ducks.

180,000 tungsten balls right up the keister.

Shoigu fired General Popov for warning about the risk of Russian defenses being overrun in Zaporizhzia; pure incompetence.
Russian general says he has been fired for telling truth about Ukraine problems

 

[MontyPython]

Shoigu fired General Popov for warning about the risk of Russian defenses being overrun in Zaporizhzia; pure incompetence.
Russian general says he has been fired for telling truth about Ukraine problems

Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that AFU is zeroing in on Popov's sector.

Also, happy they got through the (assumedly) 1st set of mines, but they still haven't broken through yet. 82nd is one of their best new brigades. If they fail...

 

[BeardedVol]

Wow...takes the concept of "Orwellian" to a new level.

 

[USF grad in TN]

Wow...takes the concept of "Orwellian" to a new level.

I'm not sure how to take this.
Is this the start of some backpedaling?
"We never intended to take any land. We just wanted security guarantees. If we give back land, that doesn't mean we failed."

 

[Velo Vol]

Georgians aren't very appreciative of all Russia has done for it.

 

[BeardedVol]

I'm not sure how to take this.
Is this the start of some backpedaling?
"We never intended to take any land. We just wanted security guarantees. If we give back land, that doesn't mean we failed."

Don't you know?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Let me get this straight.........NATO is hosting a shadow army of mercenaries that is provoking it's host countries neighbors but somehow Ukraine is acting as if it's neighbors misgivings are unreasonable?

FYP

Remember when the shoe was on the other foot between 2014-2022? When NATO was arming Ukraine on Russia's border? How about the US and The Soviets putting missiles in Cuba?

 

[C/O]

FYP

Remember when the shoe was on the other foot between 2014-2022? When NATO was arming Ukraine on Russia's border? How about the US and The Soviets putting missiles in Cuba?

2014. Hmmm. Was there something around that time or before that would cause Russia’s neighbors to get a little nervous? I can’t remember, I guess I am just going to go read about vacation spots in Georgia and Crimea.

 

[BeardedVol]

FYP

Remember when the shoe was on the other foot between 2014-2022? When NATO was arming Ukraine on Russia's border? How about the US and The Soviets putting missiles in Cuba?

Well, that's pretty much a lie.

From 2014-2022 the US gave Ukraine a total of $2.5 billion in military aid, which is quite literally "nothing" in terms of actual armaments.

"Since Russia’s 2014 invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea, the United States has provided some $2.5 billion in military aid to Kyiv, including unarmed drones, radios and Javelin anti-tank missiles. "
White House freezes Ukraine military package that includes lethal weapons

 

[KB5252]

FYP

Remember when the shoe was on the other foot between 2014-2022? When NATO was arming Ukraine on Russia's border? How about the US and The Soviets putting missiles in Cuba?

Is your last name Armstrong?

 

[LouderVol]

I'm not sure how to take this.
Is this the start of some backpedaling?
"We never intended to take any land. We just wanted security guarantees. If we give back land, that doesn't mean we failed."

Both sides have been softselling their losses over there recently. The Ukrainian offensive is winding down/ending, instead of saying it was defeated. Russia is starting to claim they didn't want the land, and that the loss of almost 5000 VDV specialists was no big deal.

 

[MontyPython]

Good night for hopping in a Bradley and busting through a few Ruskie lines.

Enjoy Ivan.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

2014. Hmmm. Was there something around that time or before that would cause Russia’s neighbors to get a little nervous? I can’t remember, I guess I am just going to go read about vacation spots in Georgia and Crimea.

Georgia was a case where NATO pumped up Saakashvili like they are doing Zelensky right now. Crimea has been Russian since Catherine the Great and before the USA was a country.