War in Ukraine

[LSU-SIU]

Somehow you have convinced yourself that I am on the “pro-Russia” side of this, when I am simply on the “I hope we stay out of this” side of things.

I have seen the impact of undeclared wars on too many friends and family to want my boys to have to go fight for Ukraine. So, I repeat:

I hope we stay out of this.

The nutjobs believe you are either with them or against them. Hell, I'm at the point of telling NATO countries.... you figure it out. They have been locking people up for obvious free/politcial speech and now are basically either lockup up political opponents or banning platforms/parties.

The comedian and Biden should be giving Americans their money back.

P.S. do yourself a favor and put that particular nutjob on your ignore list. Just saying.

 

[Ritzwatch]

The nutjobs believe you are either with them or against them. Hell, I'm at the point of telling NATO countries.... you figure it out. They have been locking people up for obvious free/politcial speech and now are basically either lockup up political opponents or banning platforms/parties.

The comedian and Biden should be giving Americans their money back.

We certainly do not have as much in common with our allies as we used to.

(Or, at least, I hope we do not.)

 

[LSU-SIU]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1gu514a/ua_pov_the_main_points_of_turkish_president/

This has very close to zero chance of working out for either party.

The evil neocons really did a number here, there is no easy solution. Someone is going to have to annex the Western Ukraine, the only way there is a medium or long term solution is through the removal of the Ukraine from the equation i.e. annexation, force the Ukrainians out of the Ukraine, or kill them all. Georgia still has time to potentially protect itself from the West (neocons) but they might not have 4 years to prepare.

I am not sure why proposals like this are even floated around, it solves nothing for either party.

 

[BeardedVol]

Someone is going to have to annex the Western Ukraine, the only way there is medium or long term solution is through the removal of the Ukraine from the equation i.e. annexation, force the Ukrainians out of the Ukraine, or kill them all.

 

[Vol737]

You're assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal is still fully functional, and that any attempt to use them wouldn't cause the US, China, UK, France, Israel, India, and Pakistan to launch against Russia.

Putin isn't stupid, so he isn't launching nuclear weapons at the US because Ukraine is finally allowed to target the military sites in Russia with the weapons we've given them.

Yeah, you’re going to have to explain where you came up with China, India and Pakistan launching nukes at Russia like we’re five years old. I don’t disagree that Putin’s threat may just be bluster if these weapons are used against Russia, but I think your idea of the bulk of those countries responding to an attack NOT made against them is a head scratcher.

 

[Vol737]

Dupe

 

[LouderVol]

You're assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal is still fully functional, and that any attempt to use them wouldn't cause the US, China, UK, France, Israel, India, and Pakistan to launch against Russia.

Putin isn't stupid, so he isn't launching nuclear weapons at the US because Ukraine is finally allowed to target the military sites in Russia with the weapons we've given them.

yeah, most of those aren't going to launch on Russia.

and it doesn't require all of them working at 100% to be a very serious threat. They could still kill tens of millions with less than 25% of their stockpile. Heck only one or two working could easily kill that many.

you are being far too dismissive of the threat of nukes.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[BeardedVol]

Yeah, you’re going to have to explain where you came up with China, India and Pakistan launching nukes at Russia like we’re five years old. I don’t disagree that Putin’s threat may just be bluster if these weapons are used against Russia, but I think your idea of the bulk of those countries responding to an attack NOT made against them is a head scratcher.

Any preparation for the deployment of nuclear weapons by Russia is going to have a cascading effect, whereby every other nuclear power is going to prep their own nuclear weapons.

Most likely targets would be Lviv and Kyiv which would send fallout all across eastern Europe. Eastern European members of NATO will most assuredly consider the detonation of nuclear weapons in Ukraine and the subsequent radiological fallout as an act of war, and evoke Article 5

US reprisal strikes on Russia would have a similar effect on China, with fallout hitting the eastern and northern sections of the country, and the mobilization of their own nuclear forces will trigger both India and Pakistan to react accordingly.

No country with nuclear weapons is going to sit by as Russia instigates a nuclear war. There's a reason that Putin says these things, and then does nothing, because he gets a rise out of pearl-clutchers in the west who are looking for any and every reason to give him Ukraine, and the fact that he knows how little Russia has spent on maintaining Russia's nuclear weapons in the last 30 years, and that Russia wouldn't be able to withstand a NATO response.