War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
Nobody cares if they are pro putin or not, the only thing that matters is they do what they are told. They have been selected for termination, which is actually something I do think Trump can help with temporarily. Georgia should be making plans to survive medium to long term.
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What they are being told is concede to Putin or else.....

Trump can't do anything except possibly hold Putin off short term.

The people there will decide what and who they want to be. Putin can either let them be or kill a bunch of them.
 
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hog88 said:
Okay how do we get out of this now? How does this end without the US leading the way?
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No need to worry yourself, trump has a plan,he said so over and over . He's going to end it in 24 hours, bur he can't tell his plan or else he can't use it. So quit with your strategy session, you might ruin things
 
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KB5252 said:
What they are being told is concede to Putin or else.....

Trump can't do anything except possibly hold Putin off short term.

The people there will decide what and who they want to be. Putin can either let them be or kill a bunch of them.
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Georgia is being put in a losing situation as they don't want to be in the middle, yet that is what the U.S. has made them. That is why U.S. is now sanctioning Georgia, that is why Georgia is being threatened by the rest of Europe. As far as the Ukraine, no their people will have very little say so as to what they want to be or even if they exist at this point, which is why its important for Georgia to figure out their medium and long range survival plans while there is time.... they have been targeted for termination by the U.S.

What they are being told is concede to Putin or else.....
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If you are referring to Ukraine here? That is war, of course, at this point I don't know what there is to concede or more like any limited options are disappearing. There is no clear off ramp for quick end to this... at this moment. That might change but there isn't even a suggestion of anything that is going to work medium and long term.

Putin can either let them be or kill a bunch of them.
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Yes, many of them are going to have to go..... same thing I said 2+ years ago. The only real solutions I could see is Poland coming in and annexing, but they don't want that crap hole either or...... complete elimination of the Ukraine. So.... we're where I said this would be 2+ years ago, although my initial timetable has now been increased. There really isn't much to talk about, not really. Grind on.

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LSU-SIU said:
Georgia is being put in a losing situation as they don't want to be in the middle, yet that is what the U.S. has made them. That is why U.S. is now sanctioning Georgia, that is why Georgia is being threatened by the rest of Europe. As far as the Ukraine, no their people will have very little say so as to what they want to be or even if they exist at this point, which is why its important for Georgia to figure out their medium and long range survival plans while there is time.... they have been targeted for termination by the U.S.



If you are referring to Ukraine here? That is war, of course, at this point I don't know what there is to concede or more like any limited options are disappearing. There is no clear off ramp for quick end to this... at this moment. That might change but there isn't even a suggestion of anything that is going to work medium and long term.



Yes, many of them are going to have to go..... same thing I said 2+ years ago. The only real solutions I could see is Poland coming in and annexing, but they don't want that crap hole either or...... complete elimination of the Ukraine. So.... we're where I said this would be 2+ years ago, although my initial timetable has now been increased. There really isn't much to talk about, not really. Grind on.

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I see that you are even more ignorant of the history of Georgia than you are of Ukraine.

I honestly didn't think that was possible.
 
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Matt2496 said:
US and Europe have now essentially declared war on Russia.

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No, it just makes the world a much dangerous place if true and carried out. Meaning Russia has ever ability to give weapons that can reach D.C. to U.S. enemies with little to no recourse from the middle east.

Symbolical the U.S. declared war in the 40s, it hasn't stopped and it never stopped in the 90s like they pretended.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's certainly an escalation, but far short of declaring war. And do you think Trump and Biden might have discussed this recently ?
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We have justified our taking military action in foreign nations against entities who have encouraged the activities like this against us, even though we never declared war.

And no, I do not think Biden discussed this with Trump recently.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's certainly an escalation, but far short of declaring war. And do you think Trump and Biden might have discussed this recently ?
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Putin has stated in the past that he would take an approval of using Western precision guided munitions against Russia as NATO and US being at war with Russia.

Biden isn't actually the one making these decisions. Trump has been clear that he wants to end Ukraine aid and broker a peace deal. I doubt Trump would approve of such a destabilizing move less than 2 months before he's inaugurated or ever, even if they had discussed it, which I don't think they did.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
We have justified our taking military action in foreign nations against entities who have encouraged the activities like this against us, even though we never declared war.

And no, I do not think Biden discussed this with Trump recently.
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Russia invaded a sovereign nation, breaking a dozen treaties, and the UN charter.

So you can lay off the false equivalence.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Russia invaded a sovereign nation, breaking a dozen treaties, and the UN charter.

So you can lay off the false equivalence.
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Yes Russia did.

If you think our shipping long range missles to Ukraine for use deep into Russia moves this conflict closer to an end that is fine. I don’t. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Yes Russia did.

If you think our shipping long range missles to Ukraine for use deep into Russia moves this conflict closer to an end that is fine. I don’t. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
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Do you know how many Russian-made weapons have killed American soldiers throughout the 20th and into the 21st century?

Hell, Russia flew migs in the Korean war, and operated SAM sites in Vietnam.

Letting Ukraine fully defend themselves with the weapons we gave them, is literally a nothingburger.

If Russia is upset about their military bases being damaged, then they should stop killing Ukrainians, and go back across the internationally-recognized borders of Ukraine, and stop engaging in their war of conquest.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Do you know how many Russian-made weapons have killed American soldiers throughout the 20th and into the 21st century?

Hell, Russia flew migs in the Korean war, and operated SAM sites in Vietnam.

Letting Ukraine fully defend themselves with the weapons we gave them, is literally a nothingburger.

If Russia is upset about their military bases being damaged, then they should stop killing Ukrainians, and go back across the internationally-recognized borders of Ukraine, and stop engaging in their war of conquest.
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Somehow you have convinced yourself that I am on the “pro-Russia” side of this, when I am simply on the “I hope we stay out of this” side of things.

I have seen the impact of undeclared wars on too many friends and family to want my boys to have to go fight for Ukraine. So, I repeat:

I hope we stay out of this.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Somehow you have convinced yourself that I am on the “pro-Russia” side of this, when I am simply on the “I hope we stay out of this” side of things.

I have seen the impact of undeclared wars on too many friends and family to want my boys to have to go fight for Ukraine. So, I repeat:

I hope we stay out of this.
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Like I said, if Russia is concerned about Ukraine striking military targets inside Russian, then they should stop killing Ukrainian kids.

 
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Orange defense said:
If Putin wants to end the world? It would take 30 minutes.
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You're assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal is still fully functional, and that any attempt to use them wouldn't cause the US, China, UK, France, Israel, India, and Pakistan to launch against Russia.

Putin isn't stupid, so he isn't launching nuclear weapons at the US because Ukraine is finally allowed to target the military sites in Russia with the weapons we've given them.
 
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China wouldn’t attack Russia. UK, France, and Germany is turning into Muslim nations. Won’t be long, Canada will be a Muslim nation. So, I don’t know why UK, France, and Germany would want to attack, when they have internal problems. I don’t think Isreal would attack, because they have their own problems right now. Believe me, Russia’s arsenal is still good. It wouldn’t take long for the world to end in 30 minutes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's certainly an escalation, but far short of declaring war. And do you think Trump and Biden might have discussed this recently ?
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Nope. The democrats did this all on their own (may have discussed with Liz Cheney though). They want their wider war while they still have control.
Disgusting. Final parting “gift” from the most destructive administration in US history
 
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