War in Ukraine

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volbound1700 said:
As odd as the take may be, I have a little faith that Trump can turn things around and find peace. I don't like the snub the enemy mentality of the Democrats and I don't think Trump goes for that either. I think Putin will talk to Trump and they will come up with something.

Trump is going to hit Russia with the threat of supplying all the gas to Europe and frankly could try to undercut Russian gas trade with China and other nations. Basically hit Russia in the pocket book.

At the same time, I think Trump knows that he has to give something to Putin to save Putin's face in front of his people. I am not sure what that will be. One theory is that Ukraine will give up land but I think that is going to be a hard sell to Ukraine.
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When looking at the possibility of extinction perhaps giving up land doesn't seem that hard.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Russia has been arming people to kill Americans for the last 80 years.

Hell, they flew MIGs in Korea and shot down US pilots, and operated SAMs in Vietnam, and shot down our pilots there too.

Giving Ukraine weapons to defend themselves it not an escalation.
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That doesn't seem to be how Russia (nuclear super power) saw it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Watching modern Republicans fall all over themselves with fear over "nuclear super power" Russia, is a real trip.
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I know you are what am I? This is not a strategy. My fear is nuclear war yes. If it isn't yours then everything I have suggested or thought about you is true. Assuming President Biden and the forever war machine doesn't do something stupid and give Ukraine nuclear weapons, the next 4 years is not going to be financially advantageous for you and your fellow Neocons. Give my best to John Bolton 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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vols40 said:
I know you are what am I? This is not a strategy. My fear is nuclear war yes. If it isn't yours then everything I have suggested or thought about you is true. Assuming President Biden and the forever war machine doesn't do something stupid and give Ukraine nuclear weapons, the next 4 years is not going to be financially advantageous for you and your fellow Neocons. Give my best to John Bolton 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Is this "nuclear war" that you are afraid of, in the room with us now?

united24media.com

A Timeline of Russia’s Nuclear Threats Against the West

While Russia frequently accuses the West of escalation, we look at all the times Russia has made nuclear threats against the West.
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vols40 said:
I know you are what am I? This is not a strategy. My fear is nuclear war yes. If it isn't yours then everything I have suggested or thought about you is true. Assuming President Biden and the forever war machine doesn't do something stupid and give Ukraine nuclear weapons, the next 4 years is not going to be financially advantageous for you and your fellow Neocons. Give my best to John Bolton 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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You're The Pootin lover and Russian propagandist if you don't believe in WWIII, don't like it when other countries invade first, when war comes to final conclusions without Americans soldiers dying on the withdraw, and spending huge amounts of American taxpayer money for no reason. Now, STFU and go drink some vodka.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Is this "nuclear war" that you are afraid of, in the room with us now?

united24media.com

A Timeline of Russia’s Nuclear Threats Against the West

While Russia frequently accuses the West of escalation, we look at all the times Russia has made nuclear threats against the West.
united24media.com united24media.com
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This potential nuclear war is 54 days from its end. And regardless of how Britain, France, Germany, and the US want to "weaken" Russia, the blood of every dead Ukrainian is on our hands. I ask was it worth it? Is Russia weaker?
 
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vols40 said:
This potential nuclear war is 54 days from its end. And regardless of how Britain, France, Germany, and the US want to "weaken" Russia, the blood of every dead Ukrainian is on our hands. I ask was it worth it? Is Russia weaker?
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Yes, Russia is weaker. Was it worth it? You'd have to ask the ones that have seen their loved ones and comrades die on both sides. I find it hard to believe it was worth it for Russia, but when the Ukrainians fought back so fiercely they were roped into bloody trench warfare. Was it worth it for Ukraine? Maybe...depends on how much of that country survives I guess. It needs to end. The longer it goes the bigger the chance the conflict spreads and escalates.
 
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vols40 said:
This potential nuclear war is 54 days from its end. And regardless of how Britain, France, Germany, and the US want to "weaken" Russia, the blood of every dead Ukrainian is on our hands. I ask was it worth it? Is Russia weaker?
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Remind me, is it Britain, France, Germany, and the US that have invaded a European country and leveled nuclear threats against anyone who has helped that country?

euromaidanpress.com

ISW: Recent Russian missile strike shows no new nuclear threat - Euromaidan Press

Russia showcased its missile capabilities with a strike on Dnipro using new ballistic missiles, alongside Putin's threats to the West, continuing Moscow's nuclear deterrence rhetoric.
euromaidanpress.com euromaidanpress.com

You know, if Russia doesn't want to be 'weakened' by continuing to prosecute a war of conquest that is expensive in terms of both men and materials, they could just cease to prosecute that war, right?
 
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norrislakevol said:
Yes, Russia is weaker. Was it worth it? You'd have to ask the ones that have seen their loved ones and comrades die on both sides. I find it hard to believe it was worth it for Russia, but when the Ukrainians fought back so fiercely they were roped into bloody trench warfare. Was it worth it for Ukraine? Maybe...depends on how much of that country survives I guess. It needs to end. The longer it goes the bigger the chance the conflict spreads and escalates.
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It does need to end. But Trump can't force Ukraine simply to give up territory simply to appease Putin.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Yes, Russia is weaker. Was it worth it? You'd have to ask the ones that have seen their loved ones and comrades die on both sides. I find it hard to believe it was worth it for Russia, but when the Ukrainians fought back so fiercely they were roped into bloody trench warfare. Was it worth it for Ukraine? Maybe...depends on how much of that country survives I guess. It needs to end. The longer it goes the bigger the chance the conflict spreads and escalates.
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Weaker how?

I find it hard to believe it was worth it for Russia
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Its all context, somewhere in the 20-30 million Russians died as a result of the Germans last time, the majority of which were not even soliders. The vowed that this would never happen again. What to me is a waste is the Americans that have been dying for 60 years, no real positive outcome.... no reason for them to die other than at to give the third parties money. A good death is okay, these haven't been good deaths.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It does need to end. But Trump can't force Ukraine simply to give up territory simply to appease Putin.
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That can be simply solved with by doing nothing. This isn't difficult.

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The issue isn't the land captured, its the remaining West portions of the Ukraine. As they clearly can't live on their own especially once the West starts the sanctions and indictments.

I am unsure of what can occur here for lasting peace other than all the Ukrainians will have to exist stage Right (Poland).
 
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BeardedVol said:
Remind me, is it Britain, France, Germany, and the US that have invaded a European country and leveled nuclear threats against anyone who has helped that country?

euromaidanpress.com

ISW: Recent Russian missile strike shows no new nuclear threat - Euromaidan Press

Russia showcased its missile capabilities with a strike on Dnipro using new ballistic missiles, alongside Putin's threats to the West, continuing Moscow's nuclear deterrence rhetoric.
euromaidanpress.com euromaidanpress.com

You know, if Russia doesn't want to be 'weakened' by continuing to prosecute a war of conquest that is expensive in terms of both men and materials, they could just cease to prosecute that war, right?
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Russia is not weakened. And stop with the gaslighting. It is the above countries that demanded a president (of Ukraine) not accept any peace deal and that he "suspended" any elections until the war is over.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Remind me, is it Britain, France, Germany, and the US that have invaded a European country and leveled nuclear threats against anyone who has helped that country?

euromaidanpress.com

ISW: Recent Russian missile strike shows no new nuclear threat - Euromaidan Press

Russia showcased its missile capabilities with a strike on Dnipro using new ballistic missiles, alongside Putin's threats to the West, continuing Moscow's nuclear deterrence rhetoric.
euromaidanpress.com euromaidanpress.com

You know, if Russia doesn't want to be 'weakened' by continuing to prosecute a war of conquest that is expensive in terms of both men and materials, they could just cease to prosecute that war, right?
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You incessantly told us day after day that Ukraine was winning, now you are reduced to faking outrage that Russia is now interested in more of Eastern Ukraine? Rich
 
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Sea Ray said:
The question I asked a year ago (and got no answer) was "how much are we willing to spend to help Ukraine win this war?" What is our limit? We can't continue this indefinitely
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The simple question I asked 2 years ago is, "what is the actual Plan here?"

At the present time it seems like "the plan" is to kidnap people off the street using U.S. tax dollars, throw them in vans, and drop them off in a muddy ditch to get a FAB to the head. Which can be a short term plan, see Russia WII i.e. throwing meat. The issue is, Russia had a plan on the back half to train and rearm, so the meat served a medium term purpose.
 
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vols40 said:
Russia is not weakened. And stop with the gaslighting. It is the above countries that demanded a president (of Ukraine) not accept any peace deal and that he "suspended" any elections until the war is over.
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Lol

8.5% inflation.
21% interest rate.
28% mortgage rate.
Worthless currency.
Sovereign Wealth Fund Raided.
Commercial airlines in shambles.
700k casualties.
650k war emigres.

No one demanded Ukraine not accept the "agree to be occupied" deal by Russia. They chose not to so do for obvious reasons.

Zelensky is literally following the Ukrainian constitution when it comes to not holding elections under martial law.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol

8.5% inflation.
21% interest rate.
28% mortgage rate.
Worthless currency.
Sovereign Wealth Fund Raided.
Commercial airlines in shambles.
700k casualties.
650k war emigres.

No one demanded Ukraine not accept the "agree to be occupied" deal by Russia. They chose not to so do for obvious reasons.

Zelensky is literally following the Ukrainian constitution when it comes to not holding elections under martial law.
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Lol. Election deniers. Boris Johnson says hello. And President Biden is telling the Ukraine constitution to "hold my beer."
 
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