War in Ukraine

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Something I spoke about 1-2 years ago is that there must be a long term plan or the people that died, died for no reason. The Western Ukraine can't survive on its own as the only way to do that is be powerful enough to withstand the assault from both sides whether economic, financially, militarily, structurally, and culturally. Any short term solution will most likely do more harm than good for the killing to end, as it will start again as the Ukraine can't survive on its own. Assuming the annexation of Western Ukraine is a no go for Poland, that only leaves only one real outcome.... annexation of Western Ukraine by Russia, which could be done by agreement or by the Russians destroying it and pushing those people into Poland.

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The U.S. will abandon the situation and it will be a European problem i.e. F* the EU (Nuland). Nothing has really changed in 2 years, same thing I said then i.e. same as it ever was. Without some other element outside (economic collapse, budget, nuclear strike, strike on nuclear facilities) of the battlefield, there isn't many ways this can end.

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My suggestion is one should choose their "friends" more wisely. I think if Trump makes it to office, that will be good for U.S. relations worldwide, but at the end of the day it doesn't solve the problem for the Ukraine or Europe. The evil neocons in the West have created quite the mess and even the garbageman Trump can't clean it up.

Russia's work in the Ukraine is just starting, imo. I originally said 1-2 decades for fighting, I increased the rate about a year ago with FAB deployment to <10 years. Total time to redevelop Western Ukraine if it comes to that is it probably 15-30 years.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Weaker how?



Its all context, somewhere in the 20-30 million Russians died as a result of the Germans last time, the majority of which were not even soliders. The vowed that this would never happen again. What to me is a waste is the Americans that have been dying for 60 years, no real positive outcome.... no reason for them to die other than at to give the third parties money. A good death is okay, these haven't been good deaths.
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Forget the manpower loss, the massive equipment loss alone will take them years to recover from.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Forget the manpower loss, the massive equipment loss alone will take them years to recover from.
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Any other large scale conflict in Europe involving Russia will be nuclear, so there really isn't a problem. (see Congressional Record) Most ammunition also has a shell life, for example shells or dummy bombs. That is why being able to ramp production like Russia has done is so important. Russia could probably drop dummy bombs (with FAB kits) for 50 years at current rate and never run out, most of them will have to be decommissioned anyway in that time period.

There is no more large scale conflicts with Russia without it being nuclear, its actually very possible this one ends up with all us of going the way of the dinosaur.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/poli...shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

Russia is actually stronger as this provided means of increasing production, but the war machine might only be starting. Nobody wants to maintain 10,000 new tanks which are gathering rust, which is why rapid production is the key, imo.
 
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vols40 said:
They have 1 less intermediate range hypersonic missile. Thankfully it was armed with conventional war heads.
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I've been watching some videos on those, and there are some interesting takes even from a conventional warhead standpoint. Meaning, I always consider conventional missiles to be somewhat a limited resource with minimum usage vs. costs, basically not a huge factor except on high prize targets. However, the way they used this new hypersonic missile is completely new, but I would like to see the results of them hitting that underground weapons plant. It seems like they are using missiles not as a way to deploy explosive ammunitions but more just a pure kinetic energy device i.e. like some the experimental rod guns. Its very interesting because its kind of like a tactical nuke without the nuke, or it could be. (I would like to see the results of the strike but I guess the Ukrainians have that wrapped up) Alex Christoforou says he is hearing that the impact just turns things to dust, but I would like to see video. The way the math works out, they are certainly like meteorites coming down.



This guy actually did some of the math, I haven't but he also brings up interesting use cases. Kind of interesting and I usually don't get wrapped up in weapon systems much.



The economics of a weapon like this could be off the charts depending on the area hit, in theory.

I would like to see pictures of the underground factory but to me its a newish type weapon with some interesting use cases i.e. naval bases in particular.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Artillery, tanks, armored personnel carriers....they've lost thousands and thousands of these pieces.
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And it won't matter because conventional warfare is not the way of the future. Russia just changed the game forever with their response to Ukraine. The military industrial complex and the rest of Europe is 💩ing their pants.
 
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vols40 said:
This potential nuclear war is 54 days from its end. And regardless of how Britain, France, Germany, and the US want to "weaken" Russia, the blood of every dead Ukrainian is on our hands. I ask was it worth it? Is Russia weaker?
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no its not. its on the Russian's hands. Now the Russian blood may be on our hands, but not the Ukrainian.

Even if there was no fighting, the Russian occupation wouldn't be without huge loss of life. you can look at how they treated the locals, sent large numbers out to Siberia to get them out of the way. A slow death in the permafrost, or a slow death on the front line; both still result in large amounts of death, both the fault of the Russians.
 
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vols40 said:
Russia is not weakened. And stop with the gaslighting. It is the above countries that demanded a president (of Ukraine) not accept any peace deal and that he "suspended" any elections until the war is over.
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they are absolutely weakened.

depleted stockpiles.
huge loss of lives, both in the fight, and fleeing it. this is on top of a decreasing population.
relying on foreign nations for weapons, and now men.
a war dependent economy that doesn't have an easy off ramp.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Any other large scale conflict in Europe involving Russia will be nuclear, so there really isn't a problem. (see Congressional Record) Most ammunition also has a shell life, for example shells or dummy bombs. That is why being able to ramp production like Russia has done is so important. Russia could probably drop dummy bombs (with FAB kits) for 50 years at current rate and never run out, most of them will have to be decommissioned anyway in that time period.

There is no more large scale conflicts with Russia without it being nuclear, its actually very possible this one ends up with all us of going the way of the dinosaur.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/poli...shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

Russia is actually stronger as this provided means of increasing production, but the war machine might only be starting. Nobody wants to maintain 10,000 new tanks which are gathering rust, which is why rapid production is the key, imo.
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do you think Russia "wins" a nuclear exchange with the west?
do you think Putin thinks Russia "wins" a nuclear exchange with the west?

the only thing deploying nukes would do is guarantee both sides lose.

they haven't been able to upscale their own industry to deal with Ukraine. they are relying on North Korea and Iran, and even some China. You think they are going to be able to just upscale to actually fight NATO if they already need help with Ukraine?
 
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vols40 said:
And it won't matter because conventional warfare is not the way of the future. Russia just changed the game forever with their response to Ukraine. The military industrial complex and the rest of Europe is 💩ing their pants.
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Yeah. I'm not sure why they think some theorical war between Russia and the West is going to be conventional at scale as Russia put in place their defense policy in the 90s as it pertains to Europe. Generally, I would say the U.S. military predictions (see Congressional Record) in the 90s were fairly close to the mark as to the situation, although they didn't explicitly predict the invasion of the Ukraine. In hindsight I guess the U.S. military made a mistake because they gave the neocons the blueprints of what is today. The issue right now is how this was done there is no easy off ramp, the neocons really did a number on the Ukraine and Europe.

I for one don't have any easy suggestions. Trump can bring this to an end, but maybe not the way the Comedian has much of a say so.

"What can I say, you're a funny guy"

 
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LouderVol said:
they are absolutely weakened.

depleted stockpiles.
huge loss of lives, both in the fight, and fleeing it. this is on top of a decreasing population.
relying on foreign nations for weapons, and now men.
a war dependent economy that doesn't have an easy off ramp.
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Lol at the typical neocon talking points. President Biden to President elect Trump: gonna do everything we can to ensure seamless transition. One week later gives VZ the ok to launch long range US made missiles into Russia and for some reason walks aimlessly into a Brazilian jungle. This stops in 54 days.
 
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vols40 said:
Lol at the typical neocon talking points. President Biden to President elect Trump: gonna do everything we can to ensure seamless transition. One week later gives VZ the ok to launch long range US made missiles into Russia and for some reason walks aimlessly into a Brazilian jungle. This stops in 54 days.
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and you can't refute any of it, most likely because its true.

Russia isn't using North Korean troops. he is using them because he has run out of other options.
 
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LouderVol said:
they are absolutely weakened.

depleted stockpiles.
huge loss of lives, both in the fight, and fleeing it. this is on top of a decreasing population.
relying on foreign nations for weapons, and now men.
a war dependent economy that doesn't have an easy off ramp.
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Russians population has been around 145-148 ish million since the early 90's Ukraine was over 50 ish million at that same time and is now as low as 36 ish million. Nice try neocon
 
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vols40 said:
Lol at the typical neocon talking points. President Biden to President elect Trump: gonna do everything we can to ensure seamless transition. One week later gives VZ the ok to launch long range US made missiles into Russia and for some reason walks aimlessly into a Brazilian jungle. This stops in 54 days.
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Beach party 2023 2024 next summer in Crimea. :cool:☀️⛱️ They should be out of washing machines and shovels by that time.

"It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they've been fooled"


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vols40 said:
Russians population has been around 145-148 ish million since the early 90's Ukraine was over 50 ish million at that same time and is now as low as 36 ish million. Nice try neocon
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Russia is down to 143.4 million now, thank you for proving my point. and that is AFTER they annexed Crimea and eastern Ukraine. on the inverse Ukraine is down because Russia annexed Crimea and eastern Ukraine. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. If the borders magically went back to where they were you would see Ukraine's population snap back up while Russias took a drop.

Russia's population spiked briefly after the wall fell, mostly Russians returning to Russia after the USSR fell. since then its been a general decline, with one small growth period before Covid.
 
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LouderVol said:
Russia is down to 143.4 million now, thank you for proving my point. and that is AFTER they annexed Crimea and eastern Ukraine. on the inverse Ukraine is down because Russia annexed Crimea and eastern Ukraine. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. If the borders magically went back to where they were you would see Ukraine's population snap back up while Russias took a drop.

Russia's population spiked briefly after the wall fell, mostly Russians returning to Russia after the USSR fell. since then its been a general decline, with one small growth period before Covid.
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Wrong again neocon. The grift is over.

Ukraine Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of Ukraine population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.
www.macrotrends.net www.macrotrends.net

Russia Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of Russia population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.
www.macrotrends.net www.macrotrends.net
 
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vols40 said:
Russians population has been around 145-148 ish million since the early 90's Ukraine was over 50 ish million at that same time and is now as low as 36 ish million. Nice try neocon
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You Pooootinn Lover, don't you know that in 500,000 years the population in Russia is going to be so low that The Comedian himself will walk straight into the Moscow and capture it. They won't even have enough people there to hit the button on the nukes.

Jokes on you.
 
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vols40 said:
Wrong again neocon. The grift is over.

Ukraine Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of Ukraine population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.
www.macrotrends.net www.macrotrends.net

Russia Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of Russia population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.
www.macrotrends.net www.macrotrends.net
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lol. that doesn't refute me at all. it just confirms what I said.

It shows Ukraine with a big drop when Russia invaded in 22. just like I said.
it shows Russia still dropping despite their invasion and annexations. just like I said.
 
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