War in Ukraine

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Here's the full clip. I have to say, Zelenskyy was smart to show Trump pictures at the beginning - dumbing it down as much as possible.

I feel for Zelenskyy, he's doing the best he can, and Trump is just determined to bulldoze him.

 
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Grand Vol said:
I actually couldn't care... though I stated a couple of years ago if you want to look the part of "world leader" dress for the occasion. If you're going in to ask for assistance in stopping an invasion of your country, dress respectably.

He's on stage in world court every single day. He's not dressing like he's going to court...

But mainly, I like seeing how worked up you liberals get when the subject is brought up.
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He's serving as president of a country heading into it's 4th year of an active invasion by Russia. I'd say he has far more important matters to worry about, than getting a suit tailored so that Trump's fragile ego won't feel disrespected.
 
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VOLLeeann said:
I gotta give it to the man after this, he held his own with the truth, while both JD and 47 looked like entitled idiots that don't even know recent history. This whole "cards" and "make a deal" statements, said multiple times by 47, shows exactly how he sees the world: as just another gamed TV show he's acting in.

While anyone with eyes sees the very real pressure of death and destruction of his homeland in Z's eyes and tone, yet he continues to speak earnestly and truthfully to power, for his countrymen. Big win for Z on the PR front, and a big loss for 47 internationally. However from the comments, magats continue to be too stupid and brainwashed to even see the negative impact of this on rational minds across the planet.
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Bruh...

Do you honestly think our European and Asian allies didn't go a little wide eyed over the comments Zelensky made? If you're "fighting" for your survival, you don't bite the hand that's feeding you a steady supply of arms, equipment and cash.

He didn't figure out this wasn't the same admin as he had been dealing with. Plus, losing Lindsey Graham as a supporter significantly hurt his cause.

But now? You have each and every NATO member wondering "can we go at this alone" and whether or not they are the next on Zelensky's list of smug defiance. He only has a country left because we all gave them the weapons needed to stop the invasion.

Ukraine does have recruiting problems. Ukraine does have supply problems. Ukraine does have an issue not showing gratitude for those who have helped. It's expected now.

Though I think that's about to dry up on a lot of fronts. Europe has proved it can handle Russia if the need arises, likely with or without the help of the US. The technological edge over the Russians is more than enough to keep them in check without having to resort to anything else. Knowing this and knowing Russians expansion can (and likely would) be stopped in it's tracks even in smaller countries like the Baltics, why would Europe back Ukraine like they once did?
 
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BeardedVol said:
He's serving as president of a country heading into it's 4th year of an active invasion by Russia. I'd say he has far more important matters to worry about, than getting a suit tailored so that Trump's fragile ego won't feel disrespected.
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I'm sure he's laundered enough of the money we've sent him to have a couple of hundred suits tailored by now.

But we digress...
 
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BeardedVol said:
He's serving as president of a country heading into it's 4th year of an active invasion by Russia. I'd say he has far more important matters to worry about, than getting a suit tailored so that Trump's fragile ego won't feel disrespected.
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While I agree with you in context, your discussion reminds me a lot of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin and how they approached the French.

John Adams came in like Zelensky while Benjamin Franklin was very much working the system. In the HBO series, he had to pull John Adams aside to restrain him.

There is a saying, when in Rome, act like the Romans. I think Trump is being bullheaded and wants peace no matter what the context, but Zelensky also needs to be able to read the room like Franklin did.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I actually think its very helpful, although he has said it before, the midget said (at least to me) that they would never sign another deal with Russia. That is what imo kind of lead to it, he simply was trying to strong arm them, and that isn't the place to do it. (maybe we have a different perspective 👍👍)

I think it did look like he was getting ganged up on because of the reporter and the suit thing but the guy is not okay at all.

He is saying there will never be an agreement, cool, we're out as far as it all if it was me. It's simply not our problem.

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At this point, all the U.S. can do if they want the conflict to stop is to take him out or sanction the country complete isolation to speed up the fall. OR just let it naturally work itself out.
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I think he got cut off before he could get his thoughts expressed completely. I think what he was actually getting at was that any peace, ceasefire needs to have teeth and assurances because Russia has not abided by agreements in the past.

I believe it was an attempt to point out the need for assurances and teeth to prevent the country from being seized and a puppet like the one to his north being installed.

I believe this was staged as leverage to work against Zelenski and give trump cover for acquiescing completely to Putin. And I'll be honest, unless you are pro Trump it didn't work.

The left and the center, I'm center right, are seeing this more as ambush diplomacy for the cameras. That discussion has no business being public, that discussion requires good faith and we showed zero.
 
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volbound1700 said:
While I agree with you in context, your discussion reminds me a lot of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin and how they approached the French.

John Adams came in like Zelensky while Benjamin Franklin was very much working the system. In the HBO series, he had to pull John Adams aside to restrain him.

There is a saying, when in Rome, act like the Romans. I think Trump is being bullheaded and wants peace no matter what the context, but Zelensky also needs to be able to read the room like Franklin did.
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So if he'd put on a poorly-styled jacket over a t-shirt, and slapped on a Chinese-made MAGA hat, it would have made trump feel more respected?
 
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If our country was attacked by a neighboring country and we needed help, but the supposed world leader for democracy shows up and says, "Sure, we'll help, but we want you to sign over a significant portion of your mineral rights, and also cede any territory Putin has already gained," would you knuckleheads say, "This sounds great!!"?

Hell no you wouldn't is the answer. Yet you thump your MAGA chests and talk about how strong Trump is for doing this very thing.
 
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lostsheep said:
If our country was attacked by a neighboring country and we needed help, but the supposed world leader for democracy shows up and says, "Sure, we'll help, but we want you to sign over a significant portion of your mineral rights, and also cede any territory Putin has already gained," would you knuckleheads say, "This sounds great!!"?

Hell no you wouldn't is the answer. Yet you thump your MAGA chests and talk about how strong Trump is for doing this very thing.
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Are you trying to make a rational argument? Do you think that’s what you just did? There’s no amount of money or resources that are going to save them. Making a deal is the only option unless they want to keep fighting to their death. That seems to be a tough pill to swallow for many.
 
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C-south said:
Are you trying to make a rational argument? Do you think that’s what you just did? There’s no amount of money or resources that are going to save them. Making a deal is the only option unless they want to keep fighting to their death. That seems to be a tough pill to swallow for many.
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I'm not saying you're wrong. But why is 100% of the ire reserved for the nation that was attacked rather than the aggressor?
 
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C-south said:
Are you trying to make a rational argument? Do you think that’s what you just did? There’s no amount of money or resources that are going to save them. Making a deal is the only option unless they want to keep fighting to their death. That seems to be a tough pill to swallow for many.
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I disagree. I think the USA could SAVE them. The issue is at what costs? Do we want to sink our nation into impossible to overcome debt and risk WW3 to save them?
 
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lostsheep said:
If our country was attacked by a neighboring country and we needed help, but the supposed world leader for democracy shows up and says, "Sure, we'll help, but we want you to sign over a significant portion of your mineral rights, and also cede any territory Putin has already gained," would you knuckleheads say, "This sounds great!!"?

Hell no you wouldn't is the answer. Yet you thump your MAGA chests and talk about how strong Trump is for doing this very thing.
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We're the only NATO member to ever benefit from Article 5, and right now every NATO member has good reason to wonder if we would follow suit if they were attacked.

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South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Australia should probably all be fast-tracking nuclear weapons programs after what we've seen in the last 6 weeks.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I disagree. I think the USA could SAVE them. The issue is at what costs? Do we want to sink our nation into impossible to overcome debt and risk WW3 to save them?
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That shouldn’t be an option. We have already contributed more than we should have. It’s time for their actual neighbors to pony up. If anyone wants to send people to war they need to be the first ones to volunteer.
 
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