War in Ukraine

[BeardedVol]

That shouldn’t be an option. We have already contributed more than we should have. It’s time for their actual neighbors to pony up. If anyone wants to send people to war they need to be the first ones to volunteer.

How exactly are you this ignorant, is it willful?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/27/ukraine-aid-trump-europe-united-states/

 

[VOLLeeann]

Watch Rachel Johnson's interview with Malcolm Nance, former US Navy Intelligence Officer who has fought alongside the Ukrainian military.

 

[utvolpj]

While I agree with you in context, your discussion reminds me a lot of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin and how they approached the French.

John Adams came in like Zelensky while Benjamin Franklin was very much working the system. In the HBO series, he had to pull John Adams aside to restrain him.

There is a saying, when in Rome, act like the Romans. I think Trump is being bullheaded and wants peace no matter what the context, but Zelensky also needs to be able to read the room like Franklin did.

That show was very questionable with their history. It was also a horrible representation of Franklin based on most accounts I've read

 

[C-south]

I'm not saying you're wrong. But why is 100% of the ire reserved for the nation that was attacked rather than the aggressor?

There isn’t but is it worth going to war just to save a money laundering operation? They can either keep fighting, hug it out, or make a deal.

 

[utvolpj]

Karl is correct

Agree with this

 

[C-south]

How exactly are you this ignorant, is it willful?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/27/ukraine-aid-trump-europe-united-states/

Awesome. Thanks for showing we should be done and today was irrelevant.

 

[VOLLeeann]

 

[VOLLeeann]

 

[Grand Vol]

To be fair, has there been evidence released that it was laundered by the Ukrainian regime?

Not yet...

 

[KB5252]

Karl is correct

This has been my issue with as well. That discussion should not have happened in front of cameras. There should have been a private discussion, and if there were no consensus or even agreement towards some framework the meeting should have been called off.

Nothing good comes out of this. We look bad, he looks bad. All we've seeded is distrust and more uncertainty with the situation in Europe, Ukraine and Russia.

 

[volbound1700]

That show was very questionable with their history. It was also a horrible representation of Franklin based on most accounts I've read

I will say this, he didn't come in all cocky with the French King and Nobility. He played the long game with them and it paid off. The point is there. Diplomacy 101.

Is Trump's request and actions probably ridiculous? Sure. However, it is a HORRIBLE political move to piss off the nation you most need to help you win a war.

I doubt Franklin would have any traction if he came in and pissed off the French Nobility and Louis 16th.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Because he sitting there in what looks like his pajamas.

 

[volbound1700]

This has been my issue with as well. That discussion should not have happened in front of cameras. There should have been a private discussion, and if there were no consensus or even agreement towards some framework the meeting should have been called off.

Nothing good comes out of this. We look bad, he looks bad. All we've seeded is distrust and more uncertainty with the situation in Europe, Ukraine and Russia.

Someone that understands. It is BOTH Zelenskyy and Trump that are messing this up by letting their fights go public. Great post.

I will state that they probably have had a lot of private discussions that haven't gone well. This looks like they had bad blood going even before the meeting.

 

[BeardedVol]

This has been my issue with as well. That discussion should not have happened in front of cameras. There should have been a private discussion, and if there were no consensus or even agreement towards some framework the meeting should have been called off.

Nothing good comes out of this. We look bad, he looks bad. All we've seeded is distrust and more uncertainty with the situation in Europe, Ukraine and Russia.

Then you missed the point. The point was to put it on camera, so that Trump can frame Zelensky as an obstacle to peace, while Putin is is not, regardless of the fact that Putin has zero desire for "peace" other than the "peace" of surrender.

 

[C-south]

Ha ha. oh no pencil neck felt something

 

[just bob]

Wow the guy who should be in prison is ashamed. I'm shocked.

 

[Grand Vol]

Come fishing with me. The type i do will keep you in shape gramps.

I've seen the fish you catch. Provided they aren't photoshoped, that would keep me in a round shape.

 

[KB5252]

I'm on record as saying I don't like the way Trump handled this today but this clown has no shame if he can udder these words with a straight face.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[BeardedVol]

A reporter from the Russian news agency TASS snuck into the contentious Oval Office meeting between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and was escorted out by White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt.

Karoline Leavitt boots Russian journalist from Oval Office

A reporter from the Russian news agency TASS snuck into the Oval Office meeting between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[KB5252]

Then you missed the point. The point was to put it on camera, so that Trump can frame Zelensky as an obstacle to peace, while Putin is is not, regardless of the fact that Putin has zero desire for "peace" other than the "peace" of surrender.

I think Zelenski wanted security assurances but wasn't getting it and realized he was being hung out to dry. He most likely tried an emotional plea that pushed out with more anger and frustration than he intended and it went further south from there.

Trump should not have allowed that too go public in front of cameras. Zelenski should have known that his frustration could be used against him. Better to go back home and try to leverage some European pressure to that end.

Bottom line is that discussion being public was a disaster in the making. Maybe he was goaded by Trump, but I've also been told Trump isn't that smart, he's just reactionary. I'm not completely sure one way or the other.

 

[jmacvols1]

follow the money trail to who's ever bank account it leads to...

 

[Ashevolle]

This has been my issue with as well. That discussion should not have happened in front of cameras. There should have been a private discussion, and if there were no consensus or even agreement towards some framework the meeting should have been called off.

Nothing good comes out of this. We look bad, he looks bad. All we've seeded is distrust and more uncertainty with the situation in Europe, Ukraine and Russia.

The point was for it to be public. This was a rouse to create this narrative. It was about as effective as a hammer on a tonsillectomy, but it was by design.

 

[Ashevolle]

You think he deserves the respect and grace that Churchill did? Shut up lol

It's a crazy idea I know, but some people just ARE respectful.

 

[GroverCleveland]

To anyone actually watching and able to move beyond the Vogue fashion critique, the clear take away here is that the Trump admin cannot work with the Ukraine admin and at this point the EU should take the lead in any actual bilateral discussions and assume the US is withdrawing. Because that is going to be the result from this and ultimately the EU has to manage whatever actually does happen at the end of hostilities

I've always thought it was Europe's problem anyway.