War in Ukraine

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McDad said:
DJT seems to me to have an idealogy that is anti war. I lean that way myself
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Basically a good portion of his cabinet is anti-war i.e. Vance, Gabbard, Musk, RFKJr., etc. When RFK was running he wanted to cut 50% defense budget as well. Vance and Gabbard learned first hand what we have been doing as I did.

Hopefully they don't get tricked, there is a time for war - manufacturing a war is a whole other thing.
 
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McDad said:
DJT seems to me to have an idealogy that is anti war. I lean that way myself
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He openly campaigned on it in hundreds of events. It was a big draw for the majority that elected him. Propaganda media pretending shock and surprise is an op.

Propaganda media's post-election spin in a continual repetition that inflation was the primary (really exclusive, according to their spin) reason for his election is an op. That's not what Trump said on the stump. This second op is really a way to deflect from the border, anti-war, crime, the US government running ops on the American people (CIA-style color revolution applied domestically), his stance on NATO, etc. And also inflation. They want people ignorant of these campaign issues.
 
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Cool. Did you present your plan to the Russians, doesn't look like a plan, just saying. Either way you got this.

Europe must do the heavy lifting. But to support peace in our continent and to succeed, this effort must have strong U.S. backing.”
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Yeah we heavily back you. Good luck.

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LSU-SIU said:


Cool. Did you present your plan to the Russians, doesn't look like a plan, just saying. Either way you got this.



Yeah we heavily back you. Good luck.

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Keeping the war going, and still trying to draw us into it.

Ukraine could, at best, tread water with the US's full support. So, if Europe is capable of merely matching US support, all this does is keep the soldier-murdering machine going. Europe will HAVE to supply troops on ground, as Ukraine is apparently down to kidnapping men, forcing them into service, and then either seeing them die or desert.

So, yay? We can look for a full-on European ground war against Russia, because the globalists toppled a Ukraine regime and tried to encircle them?
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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And @lawgator1 has made a point of adding that Pudding-head's handlers used Biden (knowing that he was mentally incompetent) to deliberately mislead the public about spending a lot of that money domestically. The Dem Party has fallen so far that they are actually now MIC and CIA shills. Ol' Gayt omits to say that much that was sent abroad was grift and money-laundering.
 
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MontyPython said:
Interesting perspective. So back in the day, George Washington was actually avoiding peace with Britain in order to stay in power? Or was George fighting for our country's independence? There's little difference between the two scenarios other than we actually started the revolutionary war now, didn't we? Whereas Ukraine was invaded by Russia for what... "neo nazis and potential NATO ascendancy".
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Zelensky refused a peace deal in a war he is losing and will completely lose without US support. The only reason to do that is to stay in power and keep money flowing.

As for back in the day...idk believe Britain ever offered GW the ability to be a separate country from Britain and be peaceful it was always about being a colony
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Zelensky refused a peace deal in a war he is losing and will completely lose without US support. The only reason to do that is to stay in power and keep money flowing.

As for back in the day...idk believe Britain ever offered GW the ability to be a separate country from Britain and be peaceful it was always about being a colony
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What peace deal did he refuse?

Are you suggesting that Russia offered Ukraine the ability to be a separate country independent and sovereign from Russia… where the **** do you get your news?
 
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MontyPython said:
What peace deal did he refuse?

Are you suggesting that Russia offered Ukraine the ability to be a separate country independent and sovereign from Russia… where the **** do you get your news?
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There was no peace deal??? That was the whole reason Zelensky was in DC.. Because he went off.... Where has any peace deal when where Ukraine is not longer it's own country???
 
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MontyPython said:
Bob, I asked you to outline your suggested plan of action for them to cut their losses. You said, "Peace deal now."

One last time, define the "peace deal" to which you refer. And what, specifically, will it do to bring a cessation of fighting?

Not sure why you're putting up so much resistance to a simple question. If you don't answer, then clearly you really have no suggested plan of action for Ukraine to cut their losses.
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Again, you're awful demanding for someone who only brings regurgitated extreme left wing talking points. Again, you have no idea how f'd Ukraine is. Again your ignorance is There is no point giving them anything else, they're just going to lose it and Russia will have our equipment. Again, we have bigger fish to worry about, we don't owe Ukraine anything - they deserve nothing from us.

Again, you don't demand anything of me. Again, Ukraine is f'd.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
There was no peace deal??? That was the whole reason Zelensky was in DC.. Because he went off.... Where has any peace deal when where Ukraine is not longer it's own country???
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That was the only peace deal Putin was ever interested in. Just because he failed to take Kyiv doesn’t mean he didn’t want it.
 
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Orange. said:
Another propaganda op.
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Yup. Agree with both @Orange_Crush and yourself. Its always the same people doing the same silly and goofy stuff over and over, and it just doesn't work anymore.

Europe and Ukraine, you guys are tough...

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I agree. Knock'em dead Kid.

 
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just bob said:
Again, you're awful demanding for someone who only brings regurgitated extreme left wing talking points. Again, you have no idea how f'd Ukraine is. Again your ignorance is There is no point giving them anything else, they're just going to lose it and Russia will have our equipment. Again, we have bigger fish to worry about, we don't owe Ukraine anything - they deserve nothing from us.

Again, you don't demand anything of me. Again, Ukraine is f'd.
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As predicted, you offer no solution.
 
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headhunter15 said:


Hell, they are really about to start WWIII.
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They're ready to enforce a peace deal that doesn't exist and the Ukrainians say they will never agree to. Trump already told that fruity bastard on Thursday, no. So, they spend the weekend drafting up a statement instead of a peace plan, don't speak with the Russians and they think the U.S. is going to help with security for the non-existent peace plan that the Ukrainians already said they will never sign.

(they are in the lefties cycle of rinse and repeat no matter how little it makes sense)

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