War in Ukraine

[Ritzwatch]

Despite the numerous times it has been claimed here and in the Mockingbird US media, it is NOT true that the Ukrainian Constitution states that the president of Ukraine continues in power under marshal law with no election required.

The Ukrainian Constitution says that of the Rada, the unicameral national legislature.

The Rada passed a law that stated the same for Zelensky. And the Rada can repeal that law at any time at their pleasure.

“Democracy”

 

[BeardedVol]

Surely you're not suggesting that Russia is the only country that attempts to interfere with our elections.

MAGA logic:

"Actual Russian interference in our elections is fine because other counties probably tried to interfere in our elections as well."

JFC

 

[LSU-SIU]

Surely I am suggesting that Putin/Russia had a much larger vested interest and organized interference in 2016.

The UK was the one was involved in interference as they were the ones working with the people you elected in using lawfare against a political candidate, president elect and president i.e. treason.

 

[Orange.]

Halliburton/Dem/Obama/Hillary/Biden logic:

"Actual American interference in Ukrainian elections is fine.
American war profiteering is the bomb™

Fyp

 

[CobbVol]

MAGA logic:

"Actual Russian interference in our elections is fine because other counties probably tried to interfere in our elections as well."

JFC

My goodness look at the naive liberal logic ... Russia, China, Iran, and others have interfered in US elections but let's use Russia and say he is their puppet. That will work with the democrat loons.

JFC, the dumbing down of the US electorate has been achieved by the MSM.

 

[Orange.]

MAGA logic:

"Actual Russian interference in our elections is fine because other counties probably tried to interfere in our elections as well."

JFC

You are verifying the thesis that a long-term color-revolution style op on the American public underlies and determines your outlook.

 

[LSU-SIU]

My goodness look at the naive liberal logic ... Russia, China, Iran, and others have interfered in US elections but let's use Russia and say he is their puppet. That will work with the democrat loons.

JFC, the dumbing down of the US electorate has been achieved by the MSM.

The interference was admitted to in part by the DNC as a plot by Hillary, see FEC action which they paid a fine. I am unaware of any action taken in that regards to Russia or China being involved.

We go from one extreme to the other. The Russians are losing to the Ukrainians to the Russians are going to take over all of Europe. From Russia is poor and unorganized to Russia is cunning, smart and has lots of money to waste on sending their millions of agents to every country on the planet.

These people are mentality ill.

As far as what happened in 2016 it was not only interference by the UK but treason by the criminals here.

 

[volinbham]

By withholding arms and intel, more people will die, absolutely. Especially if the civilian population isn’t protected from ballistic missiles by patriots down the road.

so in any conflict where we don't provide these things we are killing people?

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[FortSanders]

This is why sharing intelligence is important...

"Ukraine’s most powerful missiles were left frozen on Wednesday after the US cut off intelligence-sharing and demanded fresh talks with Volodymyr Zelensky....

Crucial intelligence for long-range missiles such as Himars, which have been key to holding back the Russian offensive, went dark at about 2pm on Wednesday."

Trump turns off Ukraine’s missiles​

Zelensky scrambles to restart talks with White House after it pulls crucial intelligence

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[FortSanders]

Trump is signaling that he will force Ukraine to make concessions, even if Ukraine does not want to. This is another "Peace in our Time" moment.

At some point (better now than later), Zelensky will have to tell Trump to undertake self-copulation.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Trump is signaling that he will force Ukraine to make concessions, even if Ukraine does not want to. This is another "Peace in our Time" moment.

At some point (better now than later), Zelensky will have to tell Trump to undertake self-copulation.

Well, if he doesn't want to make concessions there is an easy solution to that... stop calling the Orange man.

To The Last Ukrainian.

 

[hog88]

Trump is signaling that he will force Ukraine to make concessions, even if Ukraine does not want to. This is another "Peace in our Time" moment.

At some point (better now than later), Zelensky will have to tell Trump to undertake self-copulation.

Are the European countries incapable of providing the intelligence?

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is why sharing intelligence is important...

"Ukraine’s most powerful missiles were left frozen on Wednesday after the US cut off intelligence-sharing and demanded fresh talks with Volodymyr Zelensky....

Crucial intelligence for long-range missiles such as Himars, which have been key to holding back the Russian offensive, went dark at about 2pm on Wednesday."

Trump turns off Ukraine’s missiles​

Zelensky scrambles to restart talks with White House after it pulls crucial intelligence

www.telegraph.co.uk

All the experts on this thread say the Ukraine is winning, so not sure if serious.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Kremlin Reacts To Rubio Calling The Ukraine Conflict A Proxy War | ZeroHedge



Lies usually have a shelf life.

 

[FortSanders]

From the Institute for the Study of War...

The Trump administration specifically suspended the sharing of intelligence that Ukraine uses for early warning systems to protect against Russian long-range missile and drone strikes, for target designation for HIMARS Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) strikes, and for target designation for long-range strikes within Russia.[2] British outlet Daily Mail reported that the United States also prohibited the United Kingdom from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine.[3] The Kremlin has repeatedly insisted on an end to the provision of all foreign assistance to Ukraine as part of any peace agreement,


"The suspension of US intelligence sharing with Ukraine will damage Ukraine's ability to defend itself against ongoing Russian attacks against military and civilian targets. Ukrainian forces have leveraged their ability to strike within Russia and destroy significant amounts of materiel in order to increase pressure on Russia.

Institute for the Study of War​

The Trump administration suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine, one of many demands the Kremlin has made of the US, Ukraine, and Ukraine's other supporters.

understandingwar.org

 

[LSU-SIU]

From the Institute for the Study of War...

The Trump administration specifically suspended the sharing of intelligence that Ukraine uses for early warning systems to protect against Russian long-range missile and drone strikes, for target designation for HIMARS Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) strikes, and for target designation for long-range strikes within Russia.[2] British outlet Daily Mail reported that the United States also prohibited the United Kingdom from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine.[3] The Kremlin has repeatedly insisted on an end to the provision of all foreign assistance to Ukraine as part of any peace agreement,


"The suspension of US intelligence sharing with Ukraine will damage Ukraine's ability to defend itself against ongoing Russian attacks against military and civilian targets. Ukrainian forces have leveraged their ability to strike within Russia and destroy significant amounts of materiel in order to increase pressure on Russia.

Institute for the Study of War​

The Trump administration suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine, one of many demands the Kremlin has made of the US, Ukraine, and Ukraine's other supporters.

understandingwar.org

Its not our problem. They don't need our money and resources to commit to national suicide.

Europe.

 

[FortSanders]

Are the European countries incapable of providing the intelligence?

1. Only we have the ability to read all of Russia's electronic communications.
2. Our stuff integrates with missile systems, including HIMARS and Patriot missile batteries.
3. Trump has forbidden the UK from sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

Now Trump will have the Ukrainians blood on his hands.

 

[BeardedVol]

From the Institute for the Study of War...

The Trump administration specifically suspended the sharing of intelligence that Ukraine uses for early warning systems to protect against Russian long-range missile and drone strikes, for target designation for HIMARS Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) strikes, and for target designation for long-range strikes within Russia.[2] British outlet Daily Mail reported that the United States also prohibited the United Kingdom from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine.[3] The Kremlin has repeatedly insisted on an end to the provision of all foreign assistance to Ukraine as part of any peace agreement,


"The suspension of US intelligence sharing with Ukraine will damage Ukraine's ability to defend itself against ongoing Russian attacks against military and civilian targets. Ukrainian forces have leveraged their ability to strike within Russia and destroy significant amounts of materiel in order to increase pressure on Russia.

Institute for the Study of War​

The Trump administration suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine, one of many demands the Kremlin has made of the US, Ukraine, and Ukraine's other supporters.

understandingwar.org

It's been obvious for awhile now that Trump is actively trying to stop Ukraine from being able to defend themselves.

 

[LSU-SIU]

1. Only we have the ability to read all of Russia's electronic communications.
2. Our stuff integrates with missile systems, including HIMARS and Patriot missile batteries.
3. Trump has forbidden the UK from sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

Now Trump will have the Ukrainians blood on his hands.

The U.S. is not fighting the Ukrainians, so no Trump does not have blood on his hands... he's trying to save them. DUHHHHHH

Trump has forbidden the UK from sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

That seems like a strawman, they can't share US intelligence.

 

[FortSanders]

Its not our problem. They don't need our money and resources to commit to national suicide.

Europe.

We are the indispensable nation. We are the arsenal of democracy. We must lead. Appeasement and land for peace do not work. It has failed everywhere it was tried... from the Sudetenland in 1938 to the Gaza strip in 2023.

 

[LSU-SIU]

We are the indispensable nation. We are the arsenal of democracy. We must lead. Appeasement and land for peace do not work. It has failed everywhere it was tried... from the Sudetenland in 1938 to the Gaza strip in 2023.

That is like yelling Freedom and Sovereignty and Democracy!!! You are not saying anything of value there.

You want to sign up... here you go buddy.

We must lead.

Let's start with you.

https://ildu.com.ua/

 

[Orange.]

Calling this a Munich Agreement is moranic. Munich was a case of one of our present so-called allies -- Germany -- preparing to invade Russia. Absorbing one country after another along the way.

 

[Orange.]

Kremlin Reacts To Rubio Calling The Ukraine Conflict A Proxy War | ZeroHedge



Lies usually have a shelf life.

The people on this thread who fan-boy, support, and celebrate all of this killing say the same thing every day in different words.

They praise the use of our weapons, money, intelligence, etc. to kill as many Russians as possible, post daily lists of Russian deaths and losses, gleefully post photos of Russians in body bags and explosions in Russia. Perhaps they use the euphemism "degrading assets."

That's just an elliptical and euphemistic way to say "proxy war."

 

[Orange.]

I've already seen this today: could it be the daily hotness?

Rubio said this is a proxy war.
But Putin said this is a proxy war.
Therefore Rubio telling the truth is Russian propaganda.

This form of argument is made thousands of times a day for years and Americans at large have learned to mimic it. It's imbecilic:

Trump said the sun sets in the west.
But Putin said the sun sets in the west.
Therefore Trump is repeating Russian propaganda.