War in Ukraine

[Matt2496]

Hey all those eager to send American troops and/or other support over can now go to Ukraine and join their new defense legion for internationals. I hope to see several of you leaping into the fray in the coming days.

Who has been eager to send American troops to Ukraine?

 

[rjd970]

If Putin let’s a nuke fly here NATO would invade Russia if that’s what it took to take him out I think. That would be it for NATO not being an active combatant.

Right. Kind of builds the case for Ukraine and being a part of NATO understandable. Don't believe Russia would take it to that level, but the NATO safety blanket for Ukraine makes sense.

At the end of the day though, I think we could all agree the lives and treasure lost on both sides right now wouldn't be happening if Ukraine was already a full member.

 

[luthervol]

Nobody lost to Biden.

lol.......Hey look!!!! Bigfoot!!

 

[85SugarVol]

If they’re sending in T-90’s then those aren’t manned by conscripts those would be contract soldiers. Conscripts would be in T-72’s and older.

I saw reports last night of T-14’s spotted outside Kharkiv. Not sure if true.

 

[ButchPlz]

No one has said we should send troops. No one.

False.

Also, hence the qualifier.

I'm eager to see your photos from the front!

 

[volbound1700]

Oh sure. I hope Zelensky has a chance to send his own peacekeepers back into Sevastopol as they paint the Ukraine registration on their new naval assets. He might even hold a referendum!

Ukraine has a lot of potential to be one of the most powerful countries in Europe and the World. 40 million people and a large landmass with a lot of resources. If they can survive this with a win and the national unity they have, watch out.

 

[KnoxLandcruiser]

but they set themselves up to have their country devastated when there was a pathway for peace available that could have been achieved long ago.

GTFO dude

The people being killed, being run over by tanks, bombed in their apartments, these are civilians. They're not culpable for this. Your comment is pathetic. This is an invasion perpetrated by a nuclear super power against a civilian population. Your spin is garbage.

 

[85SugarVol]

So I keep this guys page up in a private tab in Safari. But be warned it’s graphic. I drop his comments in Google translate Ukrainian to English and that’s been working this far.

https://mobile.twitter.com/XyKyiv?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1497856583040000000|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=

Do you have a Twitter? I keep getting kicked out after a few scrolls.

 

[tnmarktx]

Putin, who quite clearly laid out his vision and deep desire of reassembling the USSR

When did this happen?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I saw reports last night of T-14’s spotted outside Kharkiv. Not sure if true.

Oh wow. If they’ve put T-14’s in harms way then Putin is all in already.

 

[WBO]

After rebuilding the Russian military and putting his own stooge in the White House, Putin seems to feel quite the superior man. My belief is that the effects of total power are worsened in his case, by personality flaws and the use of Performance Enhancing Drugs, which are infamous among Russian athletes. If that is accurate, then he might be a real nut case with a finger on the big button, who is not likely to get better.

Let's not overstate the rebuilding of the Russian military. Their Navy is a fraction of its Cold War size plus many of their combat ships were built 40-50 years ago. The same is true for their ground forces. They once had a massive superiority in tanks but that no longer exists.

They've been working on technological advances with their biggest one being hypersonic misses IF they've actually accomplished that but it really doesn't change the calculations on conventional war. They've also developed a new front line fighter which I see mentioned by Russian news bots as being a devastating weapon. Doubt it.

As far as regular weapons systems you see them doing it on the cheap.

Their biggest issue is what you see happening in Ukraine. Their regular (not special forces) troops are conscripts who are more culturally diverse than you might expect. Less cohesiveness.

Our biggest advantage, and it's a huge one, is the difference in the authority, ingenuity and commitment of our senior enlisted ranks (our NCOs). The Russians do not give their senior enlisted the authority to manage and innovate. It is a very hierarchal management structure. Our service members are trained and encouraged to exercise leadership at all levels. So in the fog of war, you would see an American E-5 who finds that he is the senior ranking person in a group, organize that group and get them in the fight. A Russian NCO is going to consolidate his position and wait for higher authority to tell him what to do next while he has to worry about how many of his conscript troops are going to sneak off in the dark to avoid getting killed.

On an update, Ukrainian reports say they shot down two Russian troop planes. If troops were on board that would be a lot of dead.

I think the real surprise is that 72 hours into this war the Russians have not established air superiority.

I can tell you that when two modern military countries engage it an air war, it is closely tracked by our military pilots. I remember sitting around the ready room with all the pilots in the training squadron I was teaching in at the time, talking about the reports of the Argentian air force tearing the Brits apart with their old A-4s during the Falklands war. If we hadn't broken neutrality and provided 24/7 AWACS coverage over the Brit fleet, they would have been beaten. Their Harriers couldn't intercept the A-4s without substantial warning.

I digress, my point was that I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to those discussions one more time.

 

[volfanhill]

Chinese banks are refusing to do Russian dollar transactions and Russian dollar contracts. This is big bc it makes SWIFT and even bigger problem for Putin

 

[NorthDallas40]

Do you have a Twitter? I keep getting kicked out after a few scrolls.

That’s why you go to private tab in safari if you’re iPhone.

 

[landscapingvol]

Hey all those eager to send American troops and/or other support over can now go to Ukraine and join their new defense legion for internationals. I hope to see several of you leaping into the fray in the coming days.

Agreed, no American troops should be in any foreign conflicts except as an absolute last resort and no capable more local countries are an option. Unfortunately, it has been the first option in many cases since WW2

 

[lawgator1]

False.

Also, hence the qualifier.

I'm eager to see your photos from the front!

Identify a single poster here who has said we should put troops in Ukraine.

 

[WBO]

They are working together right now in supporting these actions in Ukraine over the last 8 years and are in lockstep in their objectives in the Middle East. They both feed from the MIC table, and it doesn't appear that the events of this week are going to discourage them from pushing their agenda even more.

OK I am 100% sure you are a Russian bot. Go give Putin a nice big kiss on his ass.

 

[landscapingvol]

Who has been eager to send American troops to Ukraine?

I could name several politicians but that is irrelevant as long as it doesn’t happen. I can assure you there are several defense contractors who would be more than eager to be involved in a conflict.

 

[85SugarVol]

Oh wow. If they’ve put T-14’s in harms way then Putin is all in already.

To be fair I believe it was referred to as “a pair”

So…. Tifwiw

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ukraine has a lot of potential to be one of the most powerful countries in Europe and the World. 40 million people and a large landmass with a lot of resources. If they can survive this with a win and the national unity they have, watch out.

They have to clean up a lot of corruption to see that growth though. We have our own corruption but we’ve already seen the growth.

 

[NorthDallas40]

To be fair I believe it was referred to as “a pair”

So…. Tifwiw

Only less that 100 exist. “A pair” is at least 2% of their entire stock.

 

[85SugarVol]

Fox is struggling to find their angle on this one.

Now would have been a great time for them to follow CNN’s lead - and just report the news.

 

[Orangeburst]

Only less that 100 exist. “A pair” is at least 2% of their entire stock.

 

[ButchPlz]

Identify a single poster here who has said we should put troops in Ukraine.

Did I say "on this board"? Also, there are dozens here wanting to send aid and weaponry- again, hence the qualifier. What better way to support the fight for freedom than joining the defense?

For a "lawyer" it seems like you were educated in reading at Bubba's Backroom Butt Stuff Shack of North Florida.

 

[Pacer92]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Now would have been a great time for them to follow CNN’s lead - and just report the news.

I’m sitting here watching CNN since they’re mainly just giving the information and getting out of their own way finally. Still won’t watch MSNBC though.

Reminds me of 1991 and the world learning about “Wolf Blitzer”