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Uh No. The primary job of an alliance is to protect the people INSIDE of the alliance not those outside of it. Ukraine (or Finland or anyone else) needs to show that current NATO member nations are safer if they were to join.


You are equating EU and NATO.
 

1. Gosh it’s difficult to listen to him stammer on, get to the point Ron.

2. This logic is weak. The west/NATO has been treating Putin with kid gloves for a long time despite warnings from some who have been close to him and intelligence agencies. He’s been a bully diplomatically, intervening in democratic elections, and is now conducting a war of aggression. Blaming NATO is weak sauce, especially when Ukraine wasn’t anywhere close to being added as a member. It doesn’t pass the smell test.

That said, he’s obviously right about the military industrial complex having an unquenchable thirst for these conflicts.
 
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He seems very paranoid.
Always has been (ex-KGB and FSB, so it comes with the territory), but supposedly has gotten much worse in recent years.

I'm sure being in power that long without any real opposition has to isolate you from other people and information streams (e.g., nobody wants to tell the authoritarian who is in charge bad news). I bet Xi is facing the same thing in China.
 
He has sailed past the 'repeat moronic Kremlin talking points' stage and is now safely in the 'amply random crap that makes me feel better' stage.
He actually has a good point there. The West is clearly trying to push an agenda when they really shouldn't be.
 
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Dude. Ukraine applied to be part of the European Union (EU) not NATO. Not the same animal.

EU: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK (for now).

NATO: Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark,Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom,United States

Members of NATO but not EU: Albania, Canada, Iceland (that may change if they join the EU), Norway, Turkey, the US.

Members of EU but not NATO: Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta and Sweden.

BONUS! EEA: EU countries and also Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. Switzerland is technically neither, but it is a part of the single market.

Many thanks for this and I missed it trying to post on my phone.

That said, the argument still holds and its almost semantics. Do you think for a moment that EU members would not face enormous pressure to defend any EU country that was attacked, NATO member or no? The only reason that EU countries like Finland and Sweden are not in NATO is that they do not want to be (that may have just changed however). Bottom line is that EU should only have them join if they add value to current members and that is debatable.

Prior to this, people do not remember that Ukraine was a place plagued with massive corruption and graft (tied with Uganda) and very high drug trafficking and use. No one can doubt the people of the Ukraine's resolve in fighting for their homeland but that doesnt mean the EU would be better off with them in it. Then again, the EU may want them to incorporate all their idiotic laws. That is how Ukraine goes from corrupt democracy to dictator wanna be (Putin) to bureaucratic socialist paradise. Once in the EU, you are pretty much ruled by Germany, you have almost no say over your own courts.
 
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