War in Ukraine

[85SugarVol]

Yikes.

No one is going to cry for dirty Russian oligarchs today.
But is anyone worried about what happens tomorrow?

 

[DonjoVol]

The people doing the sanctioning say they have such proof.

So you trust the current German government?

 

[NEO]

are you asking who pays for the gas that flows through the nord stream? Nobody right now. Letters of credit are being issued because banks wont process payments to pay for the oil. So right now, Russia isn't making jack sh*t from EU domiciled banks.

Look, I'm all for cutting off Russia completely - just don't conflate the drip of money they're (theoretically supposed to be making) off of Nord Stream as a way to make up for the rest of the tidal wave of sanctions in the other direction.

The Russian gas everyone is buying is purchased based on USD. Crashing the ruble in no way effects their net income from sold oil.

 

[Matt2496]

So you trust the current German government?

I don’t trust any government.

 

[volfanhill]

The people doing the sanctioning say they have such proof.

What, in the last 20 years or more, makes you trust those people? I don't need to trust them about Ukraine and Putin. I see what he's doing and know what he's said.

 

[Burhead]

Also Ukrainian intelligence is saying Putin may declare martial law tomorrow.

 

[Matt2496]

What, in the last 20 years or more, makes you trust those people? I don't need to trust them about Ukraine and Putin. I see what he's doing and know what he's said.

I was talking about Usmanov

Maybe I should’ve put “say” in quotation marks

 

[Velo Vol]

Would you sing the same tune if another country seized Bezo's yacht because we bombed Syria?

Define influence. I am sure Bill Gates and other extremely wealthy people can get a word with the POTUS when they want. That too is influence. Hell our whole system of government is highly influenced by wealthy people and their donations.

1) We didn't go into their country and take it, it was here. They want to enjoy our benefits, they need to play by our rules, which is not invading other countries.

2. This invasion cannot stand. We're not going to physically fight it, but pretty much everything else is on the table.

 

[volfanhill]

1) We didn't go into their country and take it, it was here. They want to enjoy our benefits, they need to play by our rules, which is not invading other countries.

2. This invasion cannot stand. We're not going to physically fight it, but pretty much everything else is on the table.

What makes you think they invaded anything?

 

[MontyPython]

Define influence. I am sure Bill Gates and other extremely wealthy people can get a word with the POTUS when they want. That too is influence. Hell our whole system of government is highly influenced by wealthy people and their donations.

Also true. No doubt Gates benefits from our system.

 

[hog88]

1) We didn't go into their country and take it, it was here. They want to enjoy our benefits, they need to play by our rules, which is not invading other countries.

2. This invasion cannot stand. We're not going to physically fight it, but pretty much everything else is on the table.

Don't get up in arms when China starts seizing assets owned by Americans when "we don't play by their rules".

 

[Burhead]

 

[Septic]

Lot of people out there looking to buy an $800M mega yacht? This is what it cost to build, not what it will sell or scrap for.

Fire sale them on the auction block.

 

[DC_Vol]

Yachts are replaceable. The human lives lost as a result of the war that these oligarchs are funding aren't.

This is a very bad take. Imagine if Germany seized Bezos yacht or Bill Gates airplane while they were in German territory because they didn’t agree with what was happening in Afghanistan. And then their response was “your yacht and airplane are replaceable. Afghans are being killed.”

 

[Weezer]

Don't get up in arms when China starts seizing assets owned by Americans when "we don't play by their rules".

I reserve the right to be a hypocrite whenever I damn well choose.

 

[Paper_Towel]

"Forward Observation Group", reportedly founded by former US Special Forces soldiers, operating in Kyiv.

 

[Vol8188]

The EU council that has initiated sanctions against him has said that he has close ties to Putin and has been actively funding the conflict. Maybe they're just pulling that out of their rear end.

Can you link anything on that for me? All I’ve found is that they sanctioned him. Having a hard time finding any specifics.

If they have the paper trail, a judge signed off, and he has a right to a trial, I can be a lot warmer towards the actions of the EU.

But if they don’t, this is a really bad precedent

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[DC_Vol]

Would you sing the same tune if another country seized Bezo's yacht because we bombed Syria?

You beat me to it.

 

[MontyPython]

This is a very bad take. Imagine if Germany seized Bezos yacht or Bill Gates airplane while they were in German territory because they didn’t agree with what was happening in Afghanistan. And then their response was “your yacht and airplane are replaceable. Afghans are being killed.”

This isn't that.

 

[Septic]

There would almost certainly be a few fisticuffs, once the whiskey gets to flowin'.

I would be disappointed if there wasn't good booze and a short brawl. Of course this would need to be followed with LG getting a swirly and thrown off the back under a loud chorus of Rocky Top.

 

[Matt2496]

This is a very bad take. Imagine if Germany seized Bezos yacht or Bill Gates airplane while they were in German territory because they didn’t agree with what was happening in Afghanistan. And then their response was “your yacht and airplane are replaceable. Afghans are being killed.”

If he’s actively funding a conflict against a sovereign country, I don’t have a problem with it. Choices have consequences.

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Vol8188]

True unless they are effectively part of the government... which Oligarchs are.

So if the EU doesn’t like the actions of our government would you support them stealing from congressmen, senators, Supreme Court justices, etc?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I would be disappointed if there wasn't good booze and a short brawl. Of course this would need to be followed with LG getting a swirly and thrown off the back under a loud chorus of Rocky Top.

Define good booze. LG can drink seltzer beer with Luther.