War in Ukraine

[Grand Vol]

"Forward Observation Group", reportedly founded by former US Special Forces soldiers, operating in Kyiv.

While Opsec was practiced in that spread, I'm not sure if that's entirely legit. SOF guys tend to keep a low profile. Remember those groups that went into Afghanistan? Not a peep until they had the people they wanted out.

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Vol8188]

Yikes.

No one is going to cry for dirty Russian oligarchs today.
But is anyone worried about what happens tomorrow?

Forbes (which is apparently becoming the NYT) just did an article tracking 32 Russian Yachts. Not Yachts of those we can prove support the war, just yachts in general.

Putin should be evidence enough of the dangers of unlimited government power

 

[Weezer]

So if the EU doesn’t like the actions of our government would you support them stealing from congressmen, senators, Supreme Court justices, etc?

I think I might, just because those bastards are definitely stealing from us.

 

[MontyPython]

So if the EU doesn’t like the actions of our government would you support them stealing from congressmen, senators, Supreme Court justices, etc?

Stop with the hypotheticals.

Putin is evil. The Russian oligarchs are rich because they directly support his dictatorship and benefit from it.

It's a quid pro quo relationship.

To support the Ukrainians, we need to financially harm the Russians.

It's that simple. It's the right thing to do.

 

[Orangeburst]

Let’s pool our PF money together and make a bid. We can dock it at Calhoun’s on game day.

Where is 72 Grad when you need him

 

[Vol8188]

Stop with the hypootheticals.

Putin is evil. The Russian oligarchs are rich because they directly support his dictatorship and benefit from it.

It's a quid pro quo relationship.

To support the Ukrainians, we need to financially harm the Russians.

It's that simple. It's the right thing to do.

Can we harm the Russians financially without destroying ourselves and our own values?

Would you support torturing these oligarchs?

 

[Septic]

Define good booze. LG can drink seltzer beer with Luther.

I call those cheerleader beers.

I'd bring some knob creek or Mckenna 10 year single barrel.

 

[luthervol]

That’s speculation and highly disputed. Neither you nor I know how much influence any oligarch has. Nor do we know if he the man in question actually supports the war

Well, that last would certainly be easy to determine.....and the difference maker.
I think it is a splendid precedent to set. Wars are fought for the rich by the poor. This may tip the scales a bit.

 

[luthervol]

Would you sing the same tune if another country seized Bezo's yacht because we bombed Syria?

Sure, if 95% of the UN condemned the bombing and Bezo's refused to.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This is why I fear all this ends poorly. There is no way for Putin to ride into the sunset and he knows it if he isn't killed he will be tried and executed for war crimes. There is no escape and he cannot survive this. I'm beginning to really worry the end game is nuclear war. I really hope I'm wrong.

Relax. Even Psaki said that they are not that concerned about this going nuclear. I would be more concerned at this point with the West/US doing something desperate.

 

[Orangeburst]

Tried making a donation via Ukrainian’s national bank yesterday (was denied by Bank of America) but while doing so I thought how amazing it would be if they sold Russian dog tags or other spoils of war to fund their war efforts.

I’d give a grand for an authentic Russian dog tag taken by a Ukrainian

Not sure how old you are, but early 70's you could buy these bracelets with name and rank and such of American POW. It was good gesture and made it personal to the public

 

[Vol8188]

Well, that last would certainly be easy to determine.....and the difference maker.
I think it is a splendid precedent to set. Wars are fought for the rich by the poor. This may tip the scales a bit.

If you believe such powers will disproportionately harm the rich and not the poor, you’re greatly mistaken. It’s not the wealthy lose cars, cash, and homes to the government thugs.

But if it’s easy to prove, where’s the proof? Where is anyone even claiming they have such proof?

 

[Orangeburst]

Don't get up in arms when China starts seizing assets owned by Americans when "we don't play by their rules".

Why should he care. He is Canadian.

 

[luthervol]

Where is 72 Grad when you need him

Once he put me on ignore, he disappeared............coincidence?

 

[Orangeburst]

Dad gum...these counter offensives show me that are still intact as units in area.

 

[Weezer]

Relax. Even Psaki said that they are not that concerned about this going nuclear. I would be more concerned at this point with the West/US doing something desperate.

Of course you would. Bless your heart.

 

[DC_Vol]

This isn't that.

It’s exactly that. He very well may not support this adventure in Ukraine at all. This is just stealing a wealthy guy’s assets because at this moment the world will excuse it away as justified.

 

[luthervol]

If you believe such powers will disproportionately harm the rich and not the poor, you’re greatly mistaken. It’s not the wealthy lose cars, cash, and homes to the government thugs.

But if it’s easy to prove, where’s the proof? Where is anyone even claiming they have such proof?

I'm guessing he's on record with his opinions over the past 48 hours. If not, some one should call him up and ask.

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[volfanhill]

I'm guessing he's on record with his opinions over the past 48 hours. If not, some one should call him up and ask.

We should take all the wealth form every Russian citizen we can. Farmers? Screw em. If they own stock in a us company we seize it. Haven't spoken out against a ruthless dictator? Screw them too.

 

[Dirty Vol]

Can we harm the Russians financially without destroying ourselves and our own values?

Would you support torturing these oligarchs?

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Paper_Towel]

Reports that Putin regime terrorist-saboteurs had attempted to enlist to the Kyiv Territorial Defense and then opened fire and murdered 14 people including civilians , Ukraine servicemen and a police officer in Vasylkiv. The terrorists were eliminated.

Spoiler: GRAPHIC

 

[luthervol]

We should take all the wealth form every Russian citizen we can. Farmers? Screw em. If they own stock in a us company we seize it. Haven't spoken out against a ruthless dictator? Screw them too.

Please, we're financially harming all Russians now. That's sort of the whole idea. I would love to see the wealthiest of Putin's buddies take the biggest hit. I guarantee you that their support of Putin a and willing capitulations have been a huge component of their wealth accumulation. If they denounce him and the actions of the country, then they're good.