War in Ukraine

[InVOLuntary]

I don’t think he’s excusing one at the expense of the other. The point he is making is the economic sanctions being championed right now will one day soon be turned against the people.

Which is totally beside the point. Are those things happening? Sure. Are those things concerning? Sure. He's made excuse after excuse for Putin invading Ukraine and has blamed everyone but putin.

 

[volfanhill]

Which is totally beside the point. Are those things happening? Sure. Are those things concerning? Sure. He's made excuse after excuse for Putin invading Ukraine and has blamed everyone but putin.

His biggest condemnation of Putin has been:

"Not a decision I like necessarily."

All the RAS defenders need to reflect on that for a moment.

 

[DC_Vol]

There's a good and a bad to everything. Only stupid people refuse to see the whole picture. I'm not stupid. But if economic sanctions and seizing some yachts can help save some lives, I'm for it.

Sounds just like the argument for the Patriot Act.

 

[allvol123]

I don’t think he’s excusing one at the expense of the other. The point he is making is the economic sanctions being championed right now will one day soon be turned against the people.

It’s a weapon. Any weapon can be used by the bad guys on the good guys. So the F what, he isn’t making some grand discovery with that.

Right now it is being used against the correct person.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm trying to figure out your angle. The civilized world has three options here.

1) ignore what is happening in Ukraine and let Putin take possession of nations that do not want to be under his thumb.

2) commit to war and the consequences of a world war.

3) work in other means to fight against what Putin is doing, basically what we are doing now.


Exactly which of these are you advocating for? And why?

Its likely too late to really salvage anything at this point. The time for peace and diplomacy has passed. I'm not certain there is much of a good answer at this point.

Since the winter of 2013, I've been on here saying that the US should not involved in the internal politics of a country half a world away from us. That was one threshold that was crossed. Then, when the Minsk II terms were agreed upon, the US discouraged the Ukrainians from abiding by those agreements and dragging this thing out even longer. And now with an incompetent POTUS and a nation that appears to be spiraling down the tubes, we continued to push our agenda in the region and stir the pot. Our leadership didn't do us any favors. We have the govt we deserve, unfortunately. While the country has been distracted with a virus with a 99.5% survival rate and chaos half a world away, the leadership here is robbing us blind and making us out to be the enemy. I root for their downfall "by any means necessary". Anyone fighting against their king term agenda is a convenient ally at this point. Putin is far from an ideal leader, but at least knows who his enemies are. They just happen to be my enemies also.

 

[Weezer]

Sounds just like the argument for the Patriot Act.

It’s a weapon. Any weapon can be used by the bad guys on the good guys. So the F what, he isn’t making some grand discovery with that.

Right now it is being used against the correct person.

This. It's like a gun. It all depends on whose hand it's in.

 

[Pacer92]

What is there to say? He chose to use his military to achieve a political objective. Not a decision I like necessarily. I would have hoped that cooler heads in the West could have been honest negotiators, but apparently that is just asking too much.

Most of the people in here think this all started last week....when, in fact, it started in 2013 or even earlier...with NATO expansion in the 90’s. Our foreign policy has been to overthrow elected heads of state on Russia’s front porch for decades now. It worked then...not so much now. It’s a shame lives have to be lost in this ****ed up world of geopolitical tug of war. Hopefully Americans gain a greater respect for innocent lives lost in needless wars...

 

[DC_Vol]

Which is totally beside the point. Are those things happening? Sure. Are those things concerning? Sure. He's made excuse after excuse for Putin invading Ukraine and has blamed everyone but putin.

Not blaming Putin for sending his soldiers into a sovereign nation is asinine. And it that is Ras’ position, it’s utterly ridiculous.

But the point he’s making about these economic sanctions tactics being turned on others is 100% valid. It really is frightening that our financial system can now ruin an entire economy in 24 hours. We didn’t even have to stop buying their biggest exports. Think on that.

 

[Orangeburst]

This alliance with CCP has me thinking about world energy commodities. Putin obviously does not care about sanctions according to Lavrov's statement. I would be curious to see the data of Russian energy output vs CCP energy demand. Russia doesn't care about world demand if the CCP buys all that Russia can produce. It is no longer a world commodity, just as American energy independence could be.

IMO...we have moved far beyond this Ukrainian invasion into a global battle with an alliance. So what to do with regards to the CCP? Bueller?

 

[allvol123]

IPutin is far from an ideal leader, but at least knows who his enemies are. lso.

You are pathetic.

 

[Weezer]

Its likely too late to really salvage anything at this point. The time for peace and diplomacy has passed. I'm not certain there is much of a good answer at this point.

Since the winter of 2013, I've been on here saying that the US should not involved in the internal politics of a country half a world away from us. That was one threshold that was crossed. Then, when the Minsk II terms were agreed upon, the US discouraged the Ukrainians from abiding by those agreements and dragging this thing out even longer. And now with an incompetent POTUS and a nation that appears to be spiraling down the tubes, we continued to push our agenda in the region and stir the pot. Our leadership didn't do us any favors. We have the govt we deserve, unfortunately. While the country has been distracted with a virus with a 99.5% survival rate and chaos half a world away, the leadership here is robbing us blind and making us out to be the enemy. I root for their downfall "by any means necessary". Anyone fighting against their king term agenda is a convenient ally at this point. Putin is far from an ideal leader, but at least knows who his enemies are. They just happen to be my enemies also.

The Ukrainians weren't waging war on him or slaughtering Russians. So why were they his enemy? You've gone off the deep end. You've lost your damn mind.

 

[Velo Vol]

"Not a decision I like necessarily."

"I wouldn't have killed thousands of innocent people, but we all have our own style," basically.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Most of the people in here think this all started last week....when, in fact, it started in 2013 or even earlier...with NATO expansion in the 90’s. Our foreign policy has been to overthrow elected heads of state on Russia’s front porch for decades now. It worked then...not so much now. It’s a shame lives have to be lost in this ****ed up world of geopolitical tug of war. Hopefully Americans gain a greater respect for innocent lives lost in needless wars...

I just wonder where all of this "slow singing and flower bringing" was when we were destroying Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and Yemen via KSA?

And who would have thought that redhats and progressive liberals would be unified on an issue halfway around the world?

Lastly, is there no longer a peace movement in this country? Where are the peaceniks?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not blaming Putin for sending his soldiers into a sovereign nation is asinine. And it that is Ras’ position, it’s utterly ridiculous.

But the point he’s making about these economic sanctions tactics being turned on others is 100% valid. It really is frightening that our financial system can now ruin an entire economy in 24 hours. We didn’t even have to stop buying their biggest exports. Think on that.

Let's see. We've on one hand we've got an evil, dictator launching an unprovoked attack on a sovereign country, indiscriminately killing anything and everything in his path. On the other hand you've got the world trying to stop it using economic tools. I'm not sure which one scares you more but I know which one scares me. Think about that.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

This. It's like a gun. It all depends on whose hand it's in.

Well it's in the hands of government so it will inevitably that abused.

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This alliance with CCP has me thinking about world energy commodities. Putin obviously does not care about sanctions according to Lavrov's statement. I would be curious to see the data of Russian energy output vs CCP energy demand. Russia doesn't care about world demand if the CCP buys all that Russia can produce. It is no longer a world commodity, just as American energy independence could be.

IMO...we have moved far beyond this Ukrainian invasion into a global battle with an alliance. So what to do with regards to the CCP? Bueller?

You are finally coming to this realization? How do you sanction a country that has a trade agreement with China?

 

[eVOLve]

I bet a lot of Russian soldiers don’t even want to be there..

 

[Weezer]

Well it's in the hands of government so it will inevitably that abused.

Well it's in the hands of government so it will inevitably that abused.

Agreed, especially since I know we'll continue to elect dumbasses. But it still doesn't compare to what Putin is doing.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I just wonder where all of this "slow singing and flower bringing" was when we were destroying Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and Yemen via KSA?

And who would have thought that redhats and progressive liberals would be unified on an issue halfway around the world?

Lastly, is there no longer a peace movement in this country? Where are the peaceniks?

Indeed.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The Ukrainians weren't waging war on him or slaughtering Russians. So why were they his enemy? You've gone off the deep end. You've lost your damn mind.

The Ukrainians are not his enemies. The people controlling Ukraine are not only his enemies, but our enemies. They are the enemies of mankind.

 

[volfanhill]

The Ukrainians are not his enemies. The people controlling Ukraine are not only his enemies, but our enemies. They are the enemies of mankind.

Lol. Stooge. Are they nazis?

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Weezer]

The Ukrainians are not his enemies. The people controlling Ukraine are not only his enemies, but our enemies. They are the enemies of mankind.

You're an effin' nutjob.

 

[InVOLuntary]

All those critical of the countries choking off and ruining Russia's economy. Go down to your local Walmart and commit a mass shooting and see what kind of economic hit you take.