War in Ukraine

[MontyPython]

Russian stocks are getting DESTROYED in London trading. A harbinger of what Vlad's got coming to him when (if?) the Russian stock market ever opens again under his watch.

Check out this fine Russian company... went from $92.00/share to $0.72/share in 2 weeks.




Here's another example. This sucker went from $16.00/share to $0.01/share... in 2 weeks.

 

[allvol123]

I keep looking at those numbers and wonder if this is actually going to plan for Russia. Take heavy losses so they can “justify” using devastating weapons. This is so fishy.

I’ve wondered the same thing. But I also believe they are genuinely this inept.

 

[Velo Vol]

You can't use the weapons they are using and expect there to not be serious civilian casualties no matter what he tries to claim.

Which all belies Putin's stated objective of wanting to liberate and bring together the Russian people.

 

[OrangeTsar]

let’s just all be thankful that we have CBS to help us keep priorities and perspective in order

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

1 million flee Ukraine as Russian assault targets key cities, fuels exodus

 

[landscapingvol]

Which all belies Putin's stated objective of wanting to liberate and bring together the Russian people.

Hitler wanted to bring together all Germans as well but that doesn't excuse the methods to achieve it. He has no excuse for the methods he is using. If he truly felt the Ukranian government was that corrupt and needed to be replaced he could have removed it much quicker in a much more surgical process that what he is doing now. Razing Kyiv will only strengthen the opposition against him in Ukraine whether they are pro Russian or not. Most of the people in Ukraine are extremely poor, destroying what little they have creates a lot of insurgents just ask the US military.

 

[0nelilreb]

Further proving the truth never crosses right wing lips.

The meaning of Irony is lost on you isn’t it ?

 

[BowlBrother85]

A few questions for you:

1. Do you wake to every morning with Trump on your mind?

2. How much copy and paste material regarding Trump do you have ready to post at any second in this forum?

3. What is with the fantasies you democrats and "moderates" have regarding this love affair you think Trump and Putin have?

The first 2 are just more TDS crap.

As for #3...

Let me know when Donald Trump is being directly critical of Vladimir Putin, and I will retract that sentiment.

Thus far, Donald Trump has only been critical of the Biden administration, while even floating Vladimir Putin some complements.

The most negative statement that Donald Trump has made regarding this latest act of Russian aggression, are words to the effect of "This wouldn't have happened on my watch," but is that being critical of Vladimir Putin? Not really. More than anything, that is just another dig at Joe Biden.

If you can be honest with yourself for a moment, Donald Trump has a history of defending Russia whenever they have been credibly accused of cyber-attacks against American targets. Donald Trump even defended Russia while standing next to Vladimir Putin, at a press conference in Helsinki. Donald Trump also declined to condemn Vladimir Putin as a murderer, during an appearance on "Morning Joe" in 2015. When confronted with the fact that Vladimir Putin has had journalists murdered, Donald Trump refused to be critical of Putin, and would only offer the deflection, "We kill people too."

Like I said, let me know when Donald Trump directly criticizes Vladimir Putin for this unprovoked attack on the Ukraine. I don't think Donald Trump will ever do it. There is something strange about their relationship. Donald Trump gets very defensive whenever the subject of Russian misconduct comes up... unless he is busy complementing Putin, of course.

 

[Septic]

Genocide? Where? When we do this, it is called "collateral damage".

Oh, well since you called it something different - then the murder of these innocent civilians is OK.

 

[rocytop2624]

Biden says the U.S. will seize Russian oligarchs' yachts, homes and jets. How is that legal?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Have we sent any drones to Ukraine ? I keep hearing above the Turkish drones doing work over there, but haven’t heard anything about ours. Seems like we could give them some drones and allow “their pilots” to control them.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Biden says the U.S. will seize Russian oligarchs' yachts, homes and jets. How is that legal?

The US government seizes property all the time. Just stop paying your taxes and watch them respond. Not saying it is „just“ but it does happen.

 

[rocytop2624]

400,000?

Holy moly is that cheap.

How hard would it be to get that to the states?

 

[DonjoVol]

The first 2 are just more TDS crap.

As for #3...

Let me know when Donald Trump is being directly critical of Vladimir Putin, and I will retract that sentiment.

Thus far, Donald Trump has only been critical of the Biden administration, while even floating Vladimir Putin some complements.

The most negative statement that Donald Trump has made regarding this latest act of Russian aggression, are words to the effect of "This wouldn't have happened on my watch," but is that being critical of Vladimir Putin? Not really. More than anything, that is just another dig at Joe Biden.

If you can be honest with yourself for a moment, Donald Trump has a history of defending Russia whenever they have been credibly accused of cyber-attacks against American targets. Donald Trump even defended Russia while standing next to Vladimir Putin, at a press conference in Helsinki. Donald Trump also declined to condemn Vladimir Putin as a murderer, during an appearance on "Morning Joe" in 2015. When confronted with the fact that Vladimir Putin has had journalists murdered, Donald Trump refused to be critical of Putin, and would only offer the deflection, "We kill people too."

Like I said, let me know when Donald Trump directly criticizes Vladimir Putin for this unprovoked attack on the Ukraine. I don't think Donald Trump will ever do it. There is something strange about their relationship. Donald Trump gets very defensive whenever the subject of Russian misconduct comes up... unless he is busy complementing Putin, of course.

You managed to say Trump 10 times in your response. Good job.

 

[OrangeTsar]

How hard would it be to get that to the states?

The postage would be brutal

 

[BowlBrother85]

You managed to say Trump 10 times in your response. Good job.

Doesn't that make sense? I was responding to a question which centrally involved Trump, after all.

You managed to avoid addressing the substance of a post you replied to. Good job.

 

[tvolsfan]

It's clearly not going to plan. All indications are that Putin's advisors believed the Ukrainians wouldn't fight. And their initial thrusts into Ukraine have been ravaged.

But...

Now Putin will likely fall back on old Russian war doctrine: Sh*t tons of artillery. They will annihilate entire cities and raze them to the ground.

I genuinely don’t understand why he thought they wouldn’t fight.

 

[Godfatha]

let’s just all be thankful that we have CBS to help us keep priorities and perspective in order

Deer god. The alphabet soup group have to always get the attention. People are dying but they don’t want that to take the spotlight away from them.

 

[Gandalf]

I was going to say, if true, this would be one of the most incredible things I have ever read on the incompetence of almost any modern military. How in heaven's name would you have a Maj Gen anywhere near where bullets are flying or bombs dropping? Thats why you gotta doubt a whole lot of stuff that is coming out.

I am sure if I watched RT, I would hear all the Russian versions of lies but our media is only magnifying the Ukrainian ones.

Again, I have no issues because winning the propaganda war is part of war, and there really are no rules no matter what anyone says that trump winning. Avoid war but if you are in one, win it. I just make sure I do not accept anything at face value.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I was going to say, if true, this would be one of the most incredible things I have ever read on the incompetence of almost any modern military. How in heaven's name would you have a Maj Gen anywhere near where bullets are flying or bombs dropping? Thats why you gotta doubt a whole lot of stuff that is coming out.

I am sure if I watched RT, I would hear all the Russian versions of lies but our media is only magnifying the Ukrainian ones.

Again, I have no issues because winning the propaganda war is part of war, and there really are no rules no matter what anyone says that trump winning. Avoid war but if you are in one, win it. I just make sure I do not accept anything at face value.

My favourite Soviet era story of the sort was from their Space Program. A rocket fueling was going slowly and the commandingly general decided he was going to sit down in a chair right next to the booster to supervise the operation and ensure they weren’t slacking. Any guesses as to the outcome?

 

[tvolsfan]

The FU feels good but in reality Putin is just pushing back on them to keep them off balance and (he hopes) keep them from actively aiding Ukraine. Putin is a snarling dog who is barking as loudly as he can at the rest of EU but his bite is having enough work just taking out Ukraine.

Now if he had rolled into Kyiv already and showed an impressive military action, I think everyone could be a bit more concerned, even though the reality is, even if the invasion would have been smooth, the troops are going to be greatly occupied for some time to pacify AKA to hold on to what they gain. As it is, while I dont think the outcome is in doubt in the Ukraine, the seeming losses incurred for it does not make it seem that Russia's conventional land forces are as fierce as thought. Against those with strong naval and air support, they might suffer badly.

People are using their feelz to make strategy and policy and that is never a wise course. This whole global sanctions business makes me uneasy. What is the end goal? Ukraine is already invaded. He will not withdraw unless setbacks in the field dictate it. Meanwhile we are destroying the economy for your average Russian, not good. Better was targeting Putin and the oligarch money. Again, what is the end goal? How does what we are doing make us and our NATO allies safer?

You aren’t wrong, but the time to join NATO is before Russia starts threatening your borders, not after. I think Russia making demands to these countries only emphasizes the benefits of joining.

And sanctions are not just about punishment. They are a tool to limit Russia’s will and ability to make war, both now and in the future. I see it differently then simply sanctioning a regime you don’t like.

 

[GVF]

Deer god. The alphabet soup group have to always get the attention. People are dying but they don’t want that to take the spotlight away from them.

They are late to the party. The race card has already been flashed at the Ukranians.

 

[n_huffhines]

This American Life episode all about Putin and Ukraine. Really interesting so far. The second segment is about how Putin probably bombed his own people to frame Chechnya.

This American Life

Just finished the episode. It's really worth a listen, and I would guess just about everybody would find parts 1 and 4 the most interesting:

Opening - Someone's experience of the beginning of the invasion
Part 1 - Putin's rise to power
Part 2 - Interview with a Putin apologist
Part 3 - Story on a Russian propagandist
Part 4 - Recording of Russian HS students arguing with school authorities about Putin

 

[evillawyer]

I guess the Russian Blues will make a "feline" to the nearest exit.

Thank you! I'll be here all week.

 

[hog88]

Oh and your boy Trump is a paragon of virtue. Your rage is too selective.

Wow, you're still on the mask think. They have said several times they were concerned about N95 masks for first responders and heath care workers. Fauci said it but who developed the policy? Are you saying Fauci overrode Trump.

BTW, do you actually think that government agencies can unilaterally spend any money they want to spend. They can't, especially research funds. (If you doubt that look at funding restrictions on stem cell research.) I didn't care to get into that right wing theory so your phrase "gain of function research" means nothing to me. But if a federal agency spends money it has to be approved in a line item budget (why do you think the federal budget is 1600 pages long). So go complain to your Congressman, not Fauci, if money was spent on something you on't like..

Yeah, no federal agency would ever misappropriate or otherwise play fast and loose with the books. Couldn't happen and never does, they get audited way too much.