War in Ukraine

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I see factions in both parties that support idiocy.

I think the conversation was which party is showing trends toward socialism/communism.

 

[BreatheUT]

If there was ever a clear indication of those that need to be voted out on both the republican and democrat sides then it is this situation.

Morons like Kinzinger are already out the door and would screw up the country if given the chance which he has with the 1/6 commission joke.

There are many morons like him on the democrat side too. These people would get us in WW3 with their delusion.

 

[landscapingvol]

What a crock of s.
Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. Obviously Germany and their superior race couldn’t take it.

I brought up Dresden out of sarcasm earlier and it has been used extensively since then. Dresden, Tokyo, Hamburg, are all completely taken out of context because at the time there were few alternatives in a World war

 

[OrangeTsar]

I see factions in both parties that support idiocy.

But one party has idiots scattered within it while the other‘s entire platform and world view is completely based on idiocy. The two are hardly equivalent

 

[norrislakevol]

So did you give speeches about it, testify before Congress? How exactly did YOU identify it as a problem? China and Japan have been economis issues for far longer than 20 years. You blame CEOs. How is it their problem? They don't own these companies you are complaining about, they run them. They are paid to do a job. I think your real issue should be with the American consumer. Make a difference, don't worry about the price, buy American. Your ire is misplaced.

There is plenty of ire to go around. The disastrous decisions of CEO's to manufacture in China has lead to the rise of The Eastern commies, and a huge transfer of wealth. Politicians on both sides are also to blame. Make no mistake, they love getting their palms greased by these CEO's. Now, if the American consumer would get together and target just a few sectors at a time then it would cause immense pain to these companies and as well as China, and yes, it would change some things.

 

[DuckInAPen]

Lukoil: Russian oil company calls for an end to Putin's war - CNN

"Lukoil, which produces more than 2% of the world's crude oil and employs over 100,000 people, has called for an end to Russia's war in Ukraine.
The company's board of directors said in a statement to shareholders, staff and customers that it was "calling for the soonest termination of the armed conflict."

"We express our sincere empathy for all victims, who are affected by this tragedy. We strongly support a lasting ceasefire and a settlement of problems through serious negotiations and diplomacy," the board added."

 

[OrangeTsar]

What a crock of s.
Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. Obviously Germany and their superior race couldn’t take it.

What do you mean „couldn’t take it“? The bombing of German cities did not cause the German people to call for an end to the war. The Germans (just like the Brits) stood up to bombing. Only the defeat of German armies in the field caused their ultimate capitulation.

 

[Orangeburst]

If there was ever a clear indication of those that need to be voted out on both the republican and democrat sides then it is this situation.

Morons like Kinzinger are already out the door and would screw up the country if given the chance which he has with the 1/6 commission joke.

There are many morons like him on the democrat side too. These people would get us in WW3 with their delusion.

What gets me Breathe is the fact that any system "ism" or "ist" is just rebranded types of authoritarianism. Any of these lead to less individual freedom. Break out the Hills quote what difference does it make? People move to state to state to get away or actually go to such places. This overbearing Federalism is nothing but authoritarianism over a vastly different sets of beliefs. The root problem IMO, is not the parties themselves, but the over reliance of DC having so much power in the first place.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I’m not a government official or politician. It’s not my job to fix the world’s problems. I don’t have ire toward CEO’s. However, it is a simple fact that CEO’s and politicians place emphasis on extremely short-term results. Long term ramifications of those decisions made for short-term results are somebody elses’s problem. That is why we now sit in the vulnerable position that we do.

I fail to see how the CEO of a large corporation is more at fault than our consumer based economy. The desire for more far out weighs any desire for economic independence. Politicians are the same as CEOs. They buy votes.

 

[luthervol]

That's just another example of liberal virtue-signaling. I disagree. It's not funny.

Not finding it funny is just another example of right wing snowflakery.
I have to admit, I thought it was funny.

 

[82_VOL_83]

There is plenty of ire to go around. The disastrous decisions of CEO's to manufacture in China has lead to the rise of The Eastern commies, and a huge transfer of wealth. Politicians on both sides are also to blame. Make no mistake, they love getting their palms greased by these CEO's. Now, if the American consumer would get together and target just a few sectors at a time then it would cause immense pain to these companies and as well as China, and yes, it would change some things.

Stop blaming people who make more than you. It is their job to make money. That comes from sales. Sales come from the overwhelming desire of people to live above their means. The desire is sated by cheap **** from 3rd world countries. The last two years are a microcosm of this issue. The government supports people and pays them to stay home. People want stuff. They want cheap stuff. CEO’S simply run their companies to fill this want.

 

[DonjoVol]

Stalin in his collective agriculture concept that of course didn't freaking work. They had crop failures in the 30's and he took their food to feed Russia causing famine win Ukraine and thousands of deaths.

You know they estimated that USSR lost 10 million in WW II. Stalin killed 20 million in his pre and post war purges.

Bizarre part is there is a substantial number of Russians, mostly old, who say they would want Stalin back if he was alive. How do you reason with those people.

He purposely starved Ukrainians during the Holodomor and Kazakhs during the famine in Kazakhstan. Then of course Stalin also turned against the same people who helped get him in power. Usually leftists turn on each other as the people at the top in those types of governments are never happy with the amount of power they have. They are always wanting more. That's why Hitler and Stalin eventually went to war with each other after they had previous made a non aggression pact.

Yes there is still a communist party in Russia so it's no surprise some Russians might still admire Stalin. There's also a communist party here in the U.S. along with Antifa, Redneck Revolt, and other groups that support communism.

 

[hog88]

JPM and Goldman will make a killing. The sanctions forced people to sell and then they come in and take advantage of depressed assets.

I’m sure Putin and Biden’s family, conspirators have interests in it also. This isn’t about Russian security it’s about covering asses and making money.

 

[DonjoVol]

Conservatives are dictators. But your statement is BS mainly because you have no proof for that statement.

Name some conservative dictators?

 

[Smokey X]

Compared to the reactors produced by other countries Russian plants weren't that safe. Keep in mind I retired a long time ago, and I haven't kept up with developments. Generally speaking places like Russia and China have lower regard for human life, so they aren't as worried about safety; I wouldn't expect that to have changed a lot.

agree.....from wikipedia....

Eleven of Russia's reactors are of the RBMK 1000 type, similar to the one at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. Some of these RBMK reactors were originally to be shut down but have instead been given life extensions and uprated in output by about 5%. Critics say that these reactors are of an "inherently unsafe design", which cannot be improved through upgrades and modernization, and some reactor parts are impossible to replace. Russian environmental groups say that the lifetime extensions "violate Russian law, because the projects have not undergone environmental assessments".

inherently unsafe is an understatement

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Name some conservative dictators?

Pinochet. We toppled Allende to put Pinochet in charge.

 

[DonjoVol]

Pinochet. We toppled Allende to put Pinochet in charge.

I wouldn't consider Pinochet a conservative.

 

[85SugarVol]

After Hurricane Irma (2017), I spent 10 days at my inlaws because they had a whole home generator. When things got back to normal, I had a 15k generator installed because F that, I wasn't doing that again. I also equipped my business with failover internet and a generator because of how dependent we are on internet.

I’ve been thinking about one for a few years now. Did you get the ATS with it?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Virginia teacher suspended after reportedly making pro-Russia comments amid war with Ukraine

The substitute teacher writes for Russian state newspaper Pravda

A substitute teacher at an Arlington, Virginia, middle school has been suspended for reportedly making pro-Russia comments amid the Russia-Ukraine war.

Virginia teacher suspended after reportedly making pro-Russia comments amid war with Ukraine

 

[Gandalf]

So now that the Russians are inexorably moving forward (as even Ukrainian leadership and probably most real military guys knew they would) the propaganda phase of the Ukrainian Hero will take a back seat to Ukrainian Suffering.

Whereas in the early going all you saw were dead Russians that the heroic forces of Ukraine killed, while losses to Ukr forces were nowhere to be found - now expect to see much more of the blood bath to civilians, old and young, who were caught in the wrong time and place, casualties of war. Crying over dead children, blown apart, the haggard faces and hollow stares of shell shocked humanity staggering about. This is the next phase of information to be filmed and distributed.

Understand that it doesnt mean that isnt true, isnt horrific, though as we have seen already, there will be a number of sensational items that are staged or faked. But in the end, understand what the purpose is. Ukraine has few weapons to fight this war against a much more powerful foe. The main one they have is our humanity, which they will use to try to drag the west into the war to fight Russia for them. They will use their (very real) suffering to gain sympathy and such frustration with inaction that our weak and foolish leaders will enter the fight. It has worked before and Zelenskyy is doing his best to be a Ukrainian Churchill. Expect our own media (right and left) to breathlessly report and magnify each depredation.

You cannot blame them. War has no rules but survival and they are a country that will soon no longer have independent governance and whose leadership will surely be on trial in Moscow. But as every lifeguard knows, drowning people may kill you to save themselves.

I say this only in the hopes that the west is not so foolish. 377k people have died in Yemen and as many as 100k in Tigray in wars that are still ongoing as we speak and yet America will not be entering those fights. Indeed, I suspect 95% of the people who read my post will not have even known that those wars exist and are ongoing.

For the chicken hawks who shriek that he is headed for Poland or the Baltics next, your slip is showing. The Baltics would have been much easier for Putin to take in the first place but he understands that guarantees Nato's involvement. While he is no doubt willing to sacrifice even 10s of thousands of troops to take Ukraine, he has no illusions against openly attacking NATO in a conventional war, and knows that nuclear wars have no winner. Nukes give Russia itself a shield but not his armies. If he can successfully take Ukraine and hold it, whether directly or as a puppet state, he will have shown his military strength and that Russia is to be feared, without risking a multipower war which he is likely to lose. Meanwhile he has to suck up the sanctions, perhaps for years but probably figures in 5-10 years or so, it will have been well worth it.

I wish all this were not so but wishing does not make it change. As I said to someone else, long ago who wished war had not happened in their own time - "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

The most recent war game simulation in 2019 predicted almost this exact scenario. If you read this NATO Intervention In Ukraine Could Spark Nuclear War. Here's How and the hair on the back of your neck does not stand on end, you are not paying attention.

 

[hog88]

What happens if Russia decides its only going to take SE part of the country, and withdraws from the rest? Then how long are the sanctions going to hold up?

The sanctions will be removed or worked around this year regardless of how much of the country Russia takes. It’s easy for Europe to “cut off gas/oil” from Russia when spring is in the air, come this fall they’ll be feeding at the trough again.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I wouldn't consider Pinochet a conservative.

Meh, he wasn't a Marxist like Allende. One of the reasons why we ousted Allende.

Chicago Boys - Wikipedia

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Photo of Baby being carried to safety by Ukrainian soldier exposes the appalling human catastrophe of Russian invasion that has reduced cities to rubble – as deluded Putin continues to insist he is NOT hitting civilian areas

Heartbreaking photographs have revealed the atrocity of the Russian invasion as one image showed a baby being rescued from the scene of another brutal attack near the Ukrainian capital, as delusional Vladimir Putin continues to deny bombing Ukrainian cities.

A Ukrainian soldier was pictured rescuing a tiny baby from a scene of total devastation in Irpin, including what appeared to be a bombed-out bridge, in a harrowing image that summed up the atrocity of the ongoing war.

A woman reacts as she stands in front of a house burning after being shelled in the city of Irpin, outside Kyiv, on March 4

Ukraine: Photo of baby being carried to safety exposes the catastrophe of Russian invasion | Daily Mail Online

 

[hog88]

Meh, we could have let the Red Army handle Japan by that point. They were within days of a Japanese invasion.

You’re alot like FDR, you would have given Stalin the world.

 

[hog88]

Stalin in his collective agriculture concept that of course didn't freaking work. They had crop failures in the 30's and he took their food to feed Russia causing famine win Ukraine and thousands of deaths.

You know they estimated that USSR lost 10 million in WW II. Stalin killed 20 million in his pre and post war purges.

Bizarre part is there is a substantial number of Russians, mostly old, who say they would want Stalin back if he was alive. How do you reason with those people.

Same way you do with people like you. Never try.