War in Ukraine

[Weezer]

Where were these tears when we were smashing the Middle East to pieces?

Probably on the faces of the people who lost family. Tragedy is tragedy, and innocent people caught up in a war they never wanted is a tragedy. None of your "what about when the U.S. did this or that" bull **** justifies or excuses what Putin is doing. You seriously make me sick with this BS. I've never understood your hard on for Putin, but damn, I'd have thought you were intelligent enough to see the wrong in what he is doing. I was wrong. Hell, you make luther look intelligent. And I didn't think that was possible.

 

[OHvol40]

I'm willing to bet that even if he did show the same level of outrage and concern that he was in the minority. Everyone wants to virtue signal over Ukraine just because their favorite bad guy is on the scene, yet when the US does it, the overwhelming majority of people are silent.

Dubya is already considered one of the worst US presidents ever to hold the office because he fabricated a reason to invade Iraq and trampled individual rights/privacy. Sound familiar? He has been called out for it ad nauseam, though.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Dual Russian-U.S. citizen Charged with Acting as Kremlin Spy: DOJ

She was born in the Soviet Union and emigrated to the U.S. at 30. Nine years later, in 1999, she became an American citizen.

Then more than a decade later, the Department of Justice alleges, she became a spy on behalf of Vladimir Putin and Russia.

Elena Branson, 61, is accused of flouting the Foreign Agent Registration Act, or FARA, and failing to properly inform the U.S. government she was working on behalf of the Kremlin.


"Elena Branson… actively subverted foreign agent registration laws in the United States in order to promote Russian policies and ideology," according to Damian Williams, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. "Branson is alleged to have corresponded with Putin himself and met with a high-ranking Russia minister before founding a Russian propaganda center here in New York City, the Russian Center New York."

Dual Russian-U.S. citizen charged with acting as Kremlin spy: DOJ

 

[zeppelin128]

If anyone said F-15s they were wrong. Poland has F-16s and orders for F-35s. They are not and will not get F-15's. Hell our own are 30 years old median and only with the F-15EX coming across production at very limited production.
See it all the time...so called defense expert pols and even defense websites making elementary mistakes.

I thought it was against the law to sell F-35s?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Probably on the faces of the people who lost family. Tragedy is tragedy, and innocent people caught up in a war they never wanted is a tragedy. None of your "what about when the U.S. did this or that" bull **** justifies or excuses what Putin is doing. You seriously make me sick with this BS. I've never understood your hard on for Putin, but damn, I'd have thought you were intelligent enough to see the wrong in what he is doing. I was wrong. Hell, you make luther look intelligent. And I didn't think that was possible.

The suffering isn't just on the hands of Putin. Stop virtue signaling long enough to come to terms with the fact that the US and NATO drove the Ukrainian govt to play hardball with Russia instead of negotiate and abide by the Minsk II agreements sincerely. Then when they finally agitate Russia to this point, US/NATO leaves them twisting in the wind.

And I've already gone over countless times what Putin and Russia represents in the grand scheme of things.

 

[zeppelin128]

I wonder if Poland was getting pressure by us behind the scenes to give the planes to Ukraine directly. They just turned the table on us and can say hey we tried.

This was my thought as well. They have been under tremendous international pressure to supply Migs to Ukraine, so I'm sure the behind the scenes pressure was even greater. This seems like a "back off unless you are willing to jump through these hoops" kind of thing.

 

[Weezer]

Dual Russian-U.S. citizen Charged with Acting as Kremlin Spy: DOJ

She was born in the Soviet Union and emigrated to the U.S. at 30. Nine years later, in 1999, she became an American citizen.

Then more than a decade later, the Department of Justice alleges, she became a spy on behalf of Vladimir Putin and Russia.

Elena Branson, 61, is accused of flouting the Foreign Agent Registration Act, or FARA, and failing to properly inform the U.S. government she was working on behalf of the Kremlin.


"Elena Branson… actively subverted foreign agent registration laws in the United States in order to promote Russian policies and ideology," according to Damian Williams, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. "Branson is alleged to have corresponded with Putin himself and met with a high-ranking Russia minister before founding a Russian propaganda center here in New York City, the Russian Center New York."

Dual Russian-U.S. citizen charged with acting as Kremlin spy: DOJ

Ras is an old white woman??

 

[evillawyer]

Given the value of the ruble and the paltry sum that Russia pays to families of soldiers KIA (paid in rubles), this could be interesting.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Dubya is already considered one of the worst US presidents ever to hold the office because he fabricated a reason to invade Iraq and trampled individual rights/privacy. Sound familiar? He has been called out for it ad nauseam, though.

And that guy doesn't get anymore sympathy from me than anyone else. He started us on the war economy and regime change policy that we are dealing with right now.

 

[luthervol]

Ras is an old white woman??

I had the old and white parts pegged.

 

[allvol123]

Have now passed the 2 million mark of people fleeing Ukraine.

Unbelievable.

 

[Weezer]

The suffering isn't just on the hands of Putin. Stop virtue signaling long enough to come to terms with the fact that the US and NATO drove the Ukrainian govt to play hardball with Russia instead of negotiate and abide by the Minsk II agreements sincerely. Then when they finally agitate Russia to this point, US/NATO leaves them twisting in the wind.

And I've already gone over countless times what Putin and Russia represents in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, it is "just on the hands of Putin". He ordered his troops to invade a sovereign nation. You seem unable to comprehend that no matter what anyone else did, Putin started this war. Boo-hoo that he didn't get his way. That doesn't justify his actions. The Ukraine is not beholden to do whatever Russia wants. What part of "sovereign nation" do you not understand?

I'm done, Ras. At least for tonight. Those people do not deserve the hell that your hero has unleashed upon them. If you don't have the humanity to see that, then I'm not sure we have anything to conversate about.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ras is an old white woman??

C'mon man

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yes, it is "just on the hands of Putin". He ordered his troops to invade a sovereign nation.

They went in to stop the conflict that the Ukrainians have been engaged in since 2014 with ethnic Russians in the breakaway republics. You leave that out. The Ukrainians violated the Minsk II ceasefire agreement since 2015band have killed over 14k in the region. You don't seem to care about those killed... or you ignore them... or if I give you the benefit of doubt, maybe you just don't know about them.

 

[allvol123]

They went in to stop the conflict that the Ukrainians have been engaged in since 2014 with ethnic Russians in the breakaway republics. You leave that out. The Ukrainians violated the Minsk II ceasefire agreement since 2015band have killed over 14k in the region. You don't seem to care about those killed... or you ignore them... or if I give you the benefit of doubt, maybe you just don't know about them.

And to kill Nazis! Let’s not leave anything out.

 

[zeppelin128]

Yes, it is "just on the hands of Putin". He ordered his troops to invade a sovereign nation. You seem unable to comprehend that no matter what anyone else did, Putin started this war. Boo-hoo that he didn't get his way. That doesn't justify his actions. The Ukraine is not beholden to do whatever Russia wants. What part of "sovereign nation" do you not understand?

I'm done, Ras. At least for tonight. Those people do not deserve the hell that your hero has unleashed upon them. If you don't have the humanity to see that, then I'm not sure we have anything to conversate about.

I have never seen someone shill like this, and I worked on a presidential campaign.

 

[allvol123]

I have never seen someone shill like this, and I worked on a presidential campaign.

Has anyone actually met him? At this point I could believe he is part of the propaganda arm of the Russians, hacking away at a keyboard in Moscow.

 

[volfanhill]

They went in to stop the conflict that the Ukrainians have been engaged in since 2014 with ethnic Russians in the breakaway republics. You leave that out. The Ukrainians violated the Minsk II ceasefire agreement since 2015band have killed over 14k in the region. You don't seem to care about those killed... or you ignore them... or if I give you the benefit of doubt, maybe you just don't know about them.

why do ethnic Russians get to rebel but not ethnic Chechens? You are so inconsistent

 

[volfanhill]

I have never seen someone shill like this, and I worked on a presidential campaign.

I can't give this enough likes. I too worked on one.

 

[evillawyer]

I have never seen someone shill like this, and I worked on a presidential campaign.

You must have pulled a Rip Van Winkle for this presser

 

[zeppelin128]

Has anyone actually met him? At this point I could believe he is part of the propaganda arm of the Russians, hacking away at a keyboard in Moscow.

He's sneaky, might be hacking that one dude's VolNation and Twitter accounts at the moment.

 

[LittleVol]

You must have pulled a Rip Van Winkle for this presser

I really wish Biden and Putin could speak like this...

 

[Hunerwadel]

The suffering isn't just on the hands of Putin. Stop virtue signaling long enough to come to terms with the fact that the US and NATO drove the Ukrainian govt to play hardball with Russia instead of negotiate and abide by the Minsk II agreements sincerely. Then when they finally agitate Russia to this point, US/NATO leaves them twisting in the wind.

And I've already gone over countless times what Putin and Russia represents in the grand scheme of things.

This is one thing everyone here can attest to.

 

[DuckInAPen]

I did read the article

“All available evidence on the Russian approach to urban warfare indicates that massive urban destruction should be expected. Russian military operations in Syrian cities included indiscriminate use of barrel bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons in Aleppo and Idlib. Closer to home, Putin ordered the demolition of Grozny, the capital city of Chechnya, during the second Chechen War in 1999 as part of his campaign to subdue a Chechen insurgency. Grozny became known as the most destroyed city on earth.”

Thanks for answering my question, RDU VOL#14. I see that you have read it. I don't understand, though, how you've concluded that the author blames the West for any of Putin's actions. As I read it, the article is concerned with the potential ramifications of a particular course of action currently being advocated. It presupposes that Putin's violence is unacceptable.

 

[DuckInAPen]

Any of those outcomes are via Putin.

Do you assert, then, that Putin will be responsible for any outcome that results from America's efforts to support Ukraine?