War in Ukraine

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05_never_again said:
Many in this thread are between a real rock and a hard place on this one. They want to believe Putin is doing this because Joe is a weak dementia patient, but they are also really against the US getting involved.
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Not really. That isn’t a dichotomy. Joe IS a weak dementia patient and I don’t want to see one US soldier in Ukraine. I’d love to see Germany economically slapped for kissing Putin’s ass on Nord 2 and I’d like to see us arm Ukraine to the teeth.
 
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05_never_again said:
Many in this thread are between a real rock and a hard place on this one. They want to believe Putin is doing this because Joe is a weak dementia patient, but they are also really against the US getting involved.
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I think Putin would probably do it anyway, I just think he sees a better opportunity with Biden in office, especially on the heels the complete disaster that was the withdrawal from Afghanistan. He knows the Joint Chiefs and this admin would be very hesitant to get directly involved, other than talking. Putin is an opportunist, if nothing else.
 
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05_never_again said:
Many in this thread are between a real rock and a hard place on this one. They want to believe Putin is doing this because Joe is a weak dementia patient, but they are also really against the US getting involved.
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Three options for a US president:

(1) Do nothing to stop Putin

(2) Use non-military means to stop Putin (sanctions, sending Ukrainians aid, etc.)

(3) Stop Putin, by sending in the US military

Almost any US president would do #2. You can quibble with what Biden's said at press conferences, or the degree to which he's turned up this or that, but he's playing the cards the US has to play. Most of the piling on in this thread is mere tribal sniping.
 
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05_never_again said:
Many in this thread are between a real rock and a hard place on this one. They want to believe Putin is doing this because Joe is a weak dementia patient, but they are also really against the US getting involved.
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No it's not being between a rock and a hard place. Biden has many tools at his disposal other than US troops to show strength and make it clear an invasion of Ukraine will come with consequences.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Three options for a US president:

(1) Do nothing to stop Putin

(2) Use non-military means to stop Putin (sanctions, sending Ukrainians aid, etc.)

(3) Stop Putin, by sending in the US military

Almost any US president would do #2. You can quibble with what Biden's said at press conferences, or the degree to which he's turned up this or that, but he's playing the cards the US has to play. Most of the piling on in this thread is mere tribal sniping.
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Biden approved a "minor incursion" during his PC. There is no quibbling about that, he said it.
 
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hog88 said:
No it's not being between a rock and a hard place. Biden has many tools at his disposal other than US troops to show strength and make it clear an invasion of Ukraine will come with consequences.
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And he very much appears to be using them. There is no reason to believe we won't sanction them (doesn't really work anyway) and continue to send them weapons, which we have been for years.
 
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05_never_again said:
And he very much appears to be using them. There is no reason to believe we won't sanction them (doesn't really work anyway) and continue to send them weapons, which we have been for years.
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He told them they could invade but that he might do something if they try to take all of Ukraine. That is not showing strength and resolve.
 
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hog88 said:
He told them they could invade but that he might do something if they try to take all of Ukraine. That is not showing strength and resolve.
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He said that a "minor incursion" would prompt discussion about what the response would be. That's far from giving them permission to do anything.

Doesn't that just tell Putin something he already knows? Of course there are going to be different responses depending on what Putin does.
 
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05_never_again said:
He said that a "minor incursion" would prompt discussion about what the response would be. That's far from giving them permission to do anything.

Doesn't that just tell Putin something he already knows? Of course there are going to be different responses depending on what Putin does.
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I'm sure that's got Putin laying awake at night with worry.
 
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Looks like they are launching a cyber attack this morning. Don't fall for thier scare tactics. The media will have no option but to talk about it. Turn off your media if you want sanity. 3C63AC68-74AB-4210-960C-F94E660A9C7A.jpeg
 
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hog88 said:
I'm sure that's got Putin laying awake at night with worry.
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I mean, he isn't laying awake with worry about a US response to this no matter what was said. Do you think there is something Biden could say that makes Putin back down?

No US leader is going to get directly involved in this, and direct US involvement is really the only thing that would deter him from this kind of behavior. And I think we can all agree that wouldn't be worth it.
 
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05_never_again said:
I mean, he isn't laying awake with worry about a US response to this no matter what was said. Do you think there is something Biden could say that makes Putin back down?

No US leader is going to get directly involved in this, and direct US involvement is really the only thing that would deter him from this kind of behavior.
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POTUS could be clear that any incursion into Ukraine would be met with draconian sanctions. What Biden did at his PC was show how weak and indecisive he is.
 
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05_never_again said:
Many in this thread are between a real rock and a hard place on this one. They want to believe Putin is doing this because Joe is a weak dementia patient, but they are also really against the US getting involved.
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I think you have your finger on to something. Excellent observation.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Not really. That isn’t a dichotomy. Joe IS a weak dementia patient and I don’t want to see one US soldier in Ukraine. I’d love to see Germany economically slapped for kissing Putin’s ass on Nord 2 and I’d like to see us arm Ukraine to the teeth.
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Wait, so now you want to sanction Germany also?
 
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hog88 said:
No it's not being between a rock and a hard place. Biden has many tools at his disposal other than US troops to show strength and make it clear an invasion of Ukraine will come with consequences.
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Really? You've got me curious? More sanctions?
 
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hog88 said:
POTUS could be clear that any incursion into Ukraine would be met with draconian sanctions. What Biden did at his PC was show how weak and indecisive he is.
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...and if he did that, some of y'all in here would respond with "That is so weak. He isn't deterred by sanctions, he's only deterred by force" or something to that effect.
 
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05_never_again said:
...and if he did that, some of y'all in here would respond with "That is so weak. He isn't deterred by sanctions, he's only deterred by force" or something to that effect.
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I haven't seen but one maybe 2 posters show any support what so ever about sending US troops. Stop trying to carry Bidens water.
 
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