War in Ukraine

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It is probably not possible but if we really wanted to make things clean in Europe, we would be pushing for Russian membership in NATO.

The alternative logic behind the creation of NATO was that if all the European Powers were in a defensive alliance together, then they wouldn't threaten each other. There still is a major European player left out of the group and adding them will fix the issues.
 
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Not worried about china stand off rn. The same happened last october. The same has happened many times before. The south China sea is ground zero for hostilities and we constantly test their range and resolve. They then make a show of force by doing fly bys of Taiwan. This is normal behavior. This time a more forceful "show" is being made because of the recent tensions. Unless China and Russia are joining forces this is a non issue other than we are not putting up with it anymore. Both russia and china are very strong militarily, but BROKE as countries. They would literally have to join forces to start a war, and with the allies united they cannot afford it. End story. We are basically saying "try it".
 
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05_never_again said:
You mean when or if Putin invades? I'm not sure. I think he's massed troops at the Ukrainian border for two reasons: 1) he is afraid the status quo (him controlling Crimea and the Donbass) changing, and 2) to extract potential concessions from NATO.

If he ends up concluding that the status quo won't change, then I doubt he does anything. However, this build up of forces is different from 2018 because it's larger and he's coupled it with very specific demands he wants from NATO, in writing. It seems like Putin has to do something this time, assuming NATO doesn't agree to any of the proposed concessions (which they won't because they are non-starters).

He really comes off looking like a fool if he commits resources to this big build up, makes specific demands, doesn't get them, then simply does nothing.
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My point is Putin is taking this opportunity to press this agenda with the most incompetent administration we've ever had in office.
 
#1,586
#1,586
I'm loving what I'm seeing. Russia will back down one way or another. My guess is he makes a deal behind closed doors. He already showed the willingness by taking down the REvil gang. You just have to give him an out. Not that he will stop (he wont), but you have to make him look good doing it. Biden will do that. What's most fascinating about this is Biden is not the one doing it, is he? Where's the former national security adviser Mrs. Harris?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Sure. You get a sanction. You get a sanction. Errbody gets a sanction. If Germany wants to do business and make strategic energy ties to Russia I see no reason we should do business with them and frankly think we should petition to have their asses thrown out of NATO
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I got a better idea. Why don't WE get out of NATO?
 
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