War in Ukraine

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Please tell us how many times Russia attacked Ukraine, inflation skyrocketed to a 40 year high and gas prices increased like this under Trump. So is it your assmption that anyone who likes Trump is a cultist moron?
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Trump appeared to be on his way to dismantling NATO. Why would Putin upset the apple cart during his administration. Inflation is not the result of anything any one man in the WH has done. It was triggered by production and supply problems brought on by covid and fueled by decades of overspending. And I do believe Trumpism is a cult and anyone who would want him back is a moron.
 
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NEO said:
I am not siding with Ras or anyone who is more pro Russia but I am also not gonna side against them in this specific war. This war is damn weird and I can’t seem to wrap my head around it. The amount of propaganda and slighted news anymore has made me just decide to take a wait and see approach.

Did Putin bomb a maternity hospital?

Was the hospital a cover for a lab?

I honestly can’t answer any of that. On film it looks like a hospital but now we have our own government admitting their is a bio facility there.

Is that us throwing Ukraine under the bus to help Putin? And is Ukraine kicking Russias arse the way it looks? Or is Russia holding back?

All I know is I sit down every day, coffee in hand, around 4 to 5pm when I take a break and every day the story slightly changed and the narrative shifts a little and the war doesn’t seem to be moving along the way I assumed it would.

Basically, I am really on the fence here and somehow feel like I am watching a huge con game going down and I can’t quite figure out why.
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Here is yet another example of these headscratcher type events that are surrounding this entire process. So to may on the right, Iran is an enemy and this nuclear deal is a bad thing. But now, we have the Biden administration trying to push this through (just like the Obama administration did 7-8 years ago). So we have this deal that many people on the right would say is bad, but now a monkey wrench is thrown in there. Looks like now Biden is accusing Russia, another evil country, allegedly holding things up in Vienna. So now who do we pull for: Biden and Iran to get this deal done and bring more Iranian energy to market after sanctions are lifted or Russia, for coming in and nixing this Iranian nuke deal that will allegedly be giving Iran the opportunity to destroy the world? Which side are you on?

Or is this entire situation a big s^^tshow?

Iran Nuclear Talks Abruptly Suspended - Russia Slams As "Dirty Misrepresentations" That It Sabotaged Deal | ZeroHedge

"We have asked for a written guarantee…that the current process triggered by the United States does not in any way damage our right to free and full trade, economic and investment cooperation and military-technical cooperation with the Islamic Republic," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday for the first time.
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If I were big on conspiracy theories, I would wonder what is Russia doing while we are being distracted by the war in Ukraine. None of the battles, strategy, or logistics by Russia make any sense. Their tanks are being stolen by Ukraine farmers on tractors.

It is the most nonsensical "war" i've ever heard of.
 
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"News" is propagating that facebook has allowed hate speech, and Putin has blocked facebook. Facebook was the original Putin propaganda .... Save us all. More Putin lies in social.
 
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evillawyer said:
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I'm sorry - I'm finding it hard to buy that Russia has had THREE division-level commanders killed by Ukrainians. I am beginning to think Putin is having them liquidated for incompetence. The USA has a total of 231 generals (capped) of all ranks in the army. I mean, how many 2* does Russia have running around in theater?
 
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MG1968 said:
I dislike CNN and MSNBC as much as any rational person, but if they were truly “state propaganda” wouldn’t they have touted Trump’s virtues and successes and downplayed his Twitter stupidity and lack of tact and decorum?
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They are liberal propaganda so at this time that makes them American State propaganda.
 
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Gandalf said:
I'm sorry - I'm finding it hard to buy that Russia has had THREE division-level commanders killed by Ukrainians. I am beginning to think Putin is having them liquidated for incompetence. The USA has a total of 231 generals (capped) of all ranks in the army. I mean, how many 2* does Russia have running around in theater?
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I hate that word "liquidate". This is what always pops in my mind.

 
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McDad said:
If I were big on conspiracy theories, I would wonder what is Russia doing while we are being distracted by the war in Ukraine. None of the battles, strategy, or logistics by Russia make any sense. Their tanks are being stolen by Ukraine farmers on tractors.

It is the most nonsensical "war" i've ever heard of.
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Not sure it's a diversion. Maybe it is or maybe he's a bipolar madman instead of the tactical genius everyone claims.

His currency is worth a Penney, stock market was down 80% or more last time I checked. I can't imagine he really though this through.
 
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evillawyer said:
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MontyPython said:
US Police Have So Much Extra Gear They’re Sending It to Ukraine

Police departments around the U.S. are donating tactical gear to Ukraine, whose annual defense budget is smaller than the NYPD’s.
https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/paul-blest
Police departments around the U.S. are donating tactical gear to Ukraine, whose annual defense budget is smaller than the NYPD’s.
Law enforcement agencies in several states have all announced in recent days that they’re donating dozens of pieces of body armor, such as ballistic helmets and vests.

Some of the departments and their respective local partners—one of which is a top defense contractor with U.S. and Ukrainian government contracts—say the donations will be distributed to Ukrainian citizens under siege by the Russian military.
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Wow. Yeah we need to demilitarize our police forces and non military agencies pronto.
 
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Gandalf said:
I'm sorry - I'm finding it hard to buy that Russia has had THREE division-level commanders killed by Ukrainians. I am beginning to think Putin is having them liquidated for incompetence. The USA has a total of 231 generals (capped) of all ranks in the army. I mean, how many 2* does Russia have running around in theater?
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Some higher ranking officers and NCOs may be getting fragged by their own rank and file. It may be happening on the company level also.
 
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NEO said:
I am not siding with Ras or anyone who is more pro Russia but I am also not gonna side against them in this specific war. This war is damn weird and I can’t seem to wrap my head around it. The amount of propaganda and slighted news anymore has made me just decide to take a wait and see approach.

Did Putin bomb a maternity hospital?

Was the hospital a cover for a lab?

I honestly can’t answer any of that. On film it looks like a hospital but now we have our own government admitting their is a bio facility there.

Is that us throwing Ukraine under the bus to help Putin? And is Ukraine kicking Russias arse the way it looks? Or is Russia holding back?

All I know is I sit down every day, coffee in hand, around 4 to 5pm when I take a break and every day the story slightly changed and the narrative shifts a little and the war doesn’t seem to be moving along the way I assumed it would.

Basically, I am really on the fence here and somehow feel like I am watching a huge con game going down and I can’t quite figure out why.
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I agree. There has been so much misinformation pushed by both sides of this conflict that I find it hard to trust anybody.

The only thing I can definitively say is that Russia is the aggressor here. We really won't know all the details until the war is over.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I get accused of "whataboutism" and being a Putin water carrier and all of that. But my main objective is to show people on the right an alternate perspective and also want them to step away from their knee jerk Russophobia for a moment and use their thinking caps. Just like the COVID madness has shown us, we can't believe much of anything that is presented to us.

Also, you just broke something that I haven't heard with regards to the maternity hospital possibly/allegedly housing one of these bio labs. The govt (US govt) really admit that?
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It is being mentioned in some news outlets that Putin hit the site on purpose and says it was a front for a lab.

Thing is I have zero way to verify.
 
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Septic said:
I don't care if Zelensky went to Vlad's house and kicked his dog, banged his wife and called his mother a whore.

There's NOTHING that excuses targeting civilians with indiscriminate bombing.
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Come to the thread about calling someone a N word means you should be able to be killed by said person
 
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