War in Ukraine

[Septic]

Lol. You act as if the Russian people can do anything about who leads them. They don’t. But anyway, yeah I am sure everyone in Russia is to blame for Putin. Nobody is innocent in this. Everyone in Ukraine is innocent and every Russian citizen is just a POS that deserves everything they get.

Such empathy.

Russias history is littered with revolutions.

Read a book.

 

[luthervol]

That I agree with. They are fighting hard.

And there are many making the choice to go back to Ukraine to join the fight with full knowledge of the situation. To me, that adds validity to the Ukrainian side.

 

[Septic]

It seems like you've been thinking for yourself on this. The problem is we have too many people who only want to follow their approved "corporate" news on not only this but any other news story. I honestly don't even have to watch those news outlets anymore. I can just go on social media and see what their loyal followers are posting to know what agenda is pushed. Most of these people can't think for themselves. Their news and political party they support does their thinking for them.

Oliver Stone has a documentary out called Ukraine on Fire. French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel produced a documentary about Donbass in 2016. Which is now up on YouTube and available in English subtitles. I'm sure the censors won't allow those to be up for long.

Then of course there are multiple documentaries on Stepan Bandera and the Ukrainian "far right" and nationalists that have been produced in recent years.

I'm no fan of Putin either as I believe he is simply a tool to help push the globalist agenda but in no way is the West and the recent government of Ukraine innocent in all of this.

In case anyone believed gaslighting wasnt real or effective - you have people here who are biting on Putins propaganda despite being able to see the horrors of this unprovoked war. Imagine how easy it is to shape the narrative to people within Russia whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lense of state propaganda.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Sure they can, at the next election or invoke the appropriate articles to remove him. Unfortunately that isn't possible in Russia because Putin has proclaimed himself dictator for life for all intents and purposes. He must be removed by force.

As I've said before, quit pretending to be dense, we know you're better than that.

No, he's really not better than that.

 

[0nelilreb]

COVID happened under Trump. COVID didn't happen under Obama - ipso facto Trump sucks.

Lol you are really getting in your exercise today trying to cover through 2 administrations , with a virus the leftist propaganda machine used to shut the country down , and help get rid of that mean tweeting , racist , Trump only to install a walking puppet with worse polling numbers. . Putin has been exactly what the liberals ordered and has benefitted Biden and that little dictator from Canada more than he ever did Trump , taking all the attention away from their stupid political decisions . Trump does suck , but not as bad as that rock you voted for . I dare say Biden is the worst president in history , an anomaly that hopefully only happens every 300 years . He has set our societal progress back at least 20 years , but that’s what happens when the far left installs someone so far down on the continuum.

 

[DonjoVol]

In case anyone believed gaslighting wasnt real or effective - you have people here who are biting on Putins propaganda despite being able to see the horrors of this unprovoked war. Imagine how easy it is to shape the narrative to people within Russia whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lense of state propaganda.

It seems like you need to learn how to effectively read.

 

[LouderVol]

I saw retired General Paul Eaton on tv today. He said the Russian military has has been incredibly incompetent so far and totally underestimated the Ukrainian resistance. It wouldn't be surprising to see a few Russian generals heads rolling down the Kremlin steps.

That's what I dont get, this is some 101 level stuff.

Logistics, protecting your supply line, not moving armored convoys through urban areas without infantry support.

It's not like they are failing at some double development flanking maneuver based on a bunch of different timings, and coordinated air, sea, and land attacks.

 

[rocytop2624]

LOL, she laughs because it's a nervous reaction to not knowing what to do or say. She's illequiped and unprepared for her role. She's quite possibly the worst second in US history and we've had some doozy's.

We have the worst ever 1st 2nd and 3rd all at once.

 

[MontyPython]

Flying on Russian planes is about to get much more dangerous

 

[MurphyVol]

In case anyone believed gaslighting wasnt real or effective - you have people here who are biting on Putins propaganda despite being able to see the horrors of this unprovoked war. Imagine how easy it is to shape the narrative to people within Russia whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lense of state propaganda.

US Rep. Madison Cawthorn calls Ukrainian president a 'thug' :: WRAL.com

 

[MontyPython]

Another Russian General Purportedly KIA Today

Ukrainian defenders killed commander of the Russian army Andrei Kolesnikov, adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko said.

"The good news is that Major General Andrei Kolesnikov, Commander of the 29th Army of the Eastern Military District, became the KIA today," Gerashchenko wrote on

 

[DonjoVol]

In case anyone believed gaslighting wasnt real or effective - you have people here who are biting on Putins propaganda despite being able to see the horrors of this unprovoked war. Imagine how easy it is to shape the narrative to people within Russia whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lense of state propaganda.

We also have people in this country whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lens of the Democrat Party and state propaganda like CNN, MSNBC, and New York Times.

 

[luthervol]

We also have people in this country whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lens of the Democrat Party and state propaganda like CNN, MSNBC, and New York Times.

This is a good time for someone to brag about about how Fox's viewership numbers obliterate CNN's and MSNBC's combined.
There are common characteristics for those who are the most gullible.
Every snake oil salesman and big tent preacher thrive on those people.

 

[Septic]

We also have people in this country whose ONLY perspective is shaped through the lens of the Democrat Party and state propaganda like CNN, MSNBC, and New York Times.

Non sequitur. We're talking abut Russia and Ukraine in this thread.

 

[DonjoVol]

This is a good time for someone to brag about about how Fox's viewership numbers obliterate CNN's and MSNBC's combined.
There are common characteristics for those who are the most gullible.
Every snake oil salesman and big tent preacher thrive on those people.

I haven't watched Fox News in about 2 months. Actually I've actually visited very few news sites the past few weeks. You are actually talking to someone here who is willing to do his own research. Nice try though.

 

[DonjoVol]

Non sequitur. We're talking abut Russia and Ukraine in this thread.

You mentioned Russian state propaganda so it's only fair for me to mention American state propaganda.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[luthervol]

I haven't watched Fox News in about 2 months. Actually I've actually visited very few news sites the past few weeks. You are actually talking to someone here who is willing to do his own research. Nice try though.

I was just speaking in generalities.
Who on here doesn't do their own research? My guess is that everyone in the PF feels they are one of the few who does their own research and are among the small group of well informed.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Septic]

You mentioned Russian state propaganda so it's only fair for me to mention American state propaganda.

In a thread about Russia and how their propaganda affects Ukraine. Your butthurt about another countries perceived bias isn't relevant, it's a non sequitur to the conversation being had and an attempt to hijack the thread.

 

[happy-go_vol]

Lol you are really getting in your exercise today trying to cover through 2 administrations , with a virus the leftist propaganda machine used to shut the country down , and help get rid of that mean tweeting , racist , Trump only to install a walking puppet with worse polling numbers. . Putin has been exactly what the liberals ordered and has benefitted Biden and that little dictator from Canada more than he ever did Trump , taking all the attention away from their stupid political decisions . Trump does suck , but not as bad as that rock you voted for . I dare say Biden is the worst president in history , an anomaly that hopefully only happens every 300 years . He has set our societal progress back at least 20 years , but that’s what happens when the far left installs someone so far down on the continuum.

No need wasting time on that dude

 

[DonjoVol]

In a thread about Russia and how their propaganda affects Ukraine. Your butthurt about another countries perceived bias isn't relevant, it's a non sequitur to the conversation being had and an attempt to hijack the thread.

Not an attempt to hijack a thread. It's an attempt by you to shut down any discussion you don't hear from MSNBC. You're simply nothing but a complete tool.

 

[MG1968]

You mentioned Russian state propaganda so it's only fair for me to mention American state propaganda.

I dislike CNN and MSNBC as much as any rational person, but if they were truly “state propaganda” wouldn’t they have touted Trump’s virtues and successes and downplayed his Twitter stupidity and lack of tact and decorum?

 

[Septic]

Not an attempt to hijack a thread. It's an attempt by you to shut down any discussion you don't hear from MSNBC. You're simply nothing but a complete tool.

I've been getting my news on Ukraine from the BBC and Al Jazerra, not MSNBC.

You just don't like the fact that I suggested you're being gaslit by questioning what you should be seeing with your own eyes.

 

[Septic]

I dislike CNN and MSNBC as much as any rational person, but if they were truly “state propaganda” wouldn’t they have touted Trump’s virtues and successes and downplayed his Twitter stupidity and lack of tact and decorum?

oops.