War in Ukraine

[n_huffhines]

I love that "woke ideologies" is included with "evil", corruption, and thuggery. Not saying we should get directly involved, but is Zelensky's government's alleged wokeness really a reason not to help Ukraine? What a demented person.

 

[DonjoVol]

I've been getting my news on Ukraine from the BBC and Al Jazerra, not MSNBC.

You just don't like the fact that I suggested you're being gaslit by questioning what you should be seeing with your own eyes.

And you don't like the fact that I suggested two documentaries produced over 5 years ago that talked about the conflict in Ukraine.
You also don't like me mentioning the fact that we sent John McCain over there in 2014 to help stir up trouble. There is more to this conflict than what is being reported in the more "mainstream" news outlets that you watch. I suggest if you are the independent thinker and moderate that you claim you are then you would do more research.

 

[KB5252]

I haven't watched Fox News in about 2 months. Actually I've actually visited very few news sites the past few weeks. You are actually talking to someone here who is willing to do his own research. Nice try though.

Where are you getting your information if not through news sites?

 

[Septic]

And you don't like the fact that I suggested two documentaries produced over 5 years ago that talked about the conflict in Ukraine.
You also don't like me mentioning the fact that we sent John McCain over there in 2014 to help stir up trouble. There is more to this conflict than what is being reported in the more "mainstream" news outlets that you watch. I suggest if you are the independent thinker and moderate that you claim you are then you would do more research.

I don't care if Zelensky went to Vlad's house and kicked his dog, banged his wife and called his mother a whore.

There's NOTHING that excuses targeting civilians with indiscriminate bombing.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[McDad]

I don't care if Zelensky went to Vlad's house and kicked his dog, banged his wife and called his mother a whore.

There's NOTHING that excuses targeting civilians with indiscriminate bombing.

I doubt Putin-on-the-Blitz is concerned about how anyone feels about targeting civilians.

 

[DonjoVol]

I don't care if Zelensky went to Vlad's house and kicked his dog, banged his wife and called his mother a whore.

There's NOTHING that excuses targeting civilians with indiscriminate bombing.

You're right. Just like when the Ukrainians have targeted innocent civilians in Donbass. And when innocent civilians were targeted in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Glad we are in agreement.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I am not siding with Ras or anyone who is more pro Russia but I am also not gonna side against them in this specific war. This war is damn weird and I can’t seem to wrap my head around it. The amount of propaganda and slighted news anymore has made me just decide to take a wait and see approach.

Did Putin bomb a maternity hospital?

Was the hospital a cover for a lab?

I honestly can’t answer any of that. On film it looks like a hospital but now we have our own government admitting their is a bio facility there.

Is that us throwing Ukraine under the bus to help Putin? And is Ukraine kicking Russias arse the way it looks? Or is Russia holding back?

All I know is I sit down every day, coffee in hand, around 4 to 5pm when I take a break and every day the story slightly changed and the narrative shifts a little and the war doesn’t seem to be moving along the way I assumed it would.

Basically, I am really on the fence here and somehow feel like I am watching a huge con game going down and I can’t quite figure out why.

I get accused of "whataboutism" and being a Putin water carrier and all of that. But my main objective is to show people on the right an alternate perspective and also want them to step away from their knee jerk Russophobia for a moment and use their thinking caps. Just like the COVID madness has shown us, we can't believe much of anything that is presented to us.

Also, you just broke something that I haven't heard with regards to the maternity hospital possibly/allegedly housing one of these bio labs. The govt (US govt) really admit that?

 

[Sandman 423]

Yet Trump won't even say what Russia is doing is wrong.

I'm not exactly a Trump guy, but you should at least say stuff that is somewhat true.
Trump condemns Russian invasion of Ukraine as an ‘atrocity,’ blames Biden

Trump condemns Russia invasion; hints again at 2024 presidential run

And this headline is kinda funny......
Trump calls Ukraine invasion a 'holocaust' but doesn't condemn Putin

If you compare what is going on to the holocaust why do you need to condemn the man that ordered it? Isn't it kinda obvious?

 

[Septic]

You're right. Just like when the Ukrainians have targeted innocent civilians in Donbass. And when innocent civilians were targeted in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Glad we are in agreement.

The old @Rasputin_Vol bad behavior excuses bad behavior fallback, it's very convincing.

 

[norrislakevol]

I love that "woke ideologies" is included with "evil", corruption, and thuggery. Not saying we should get directly involved, but is Zelensky's government's alleged wokeness really a reason not to help Ukraine? What a demented person.

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Both countries are corrupt to the bone, and they will always be. In fact, I would say that they are both equally corrupt.

 

[Velo Vol]

So what?

How can anyone believe Trump was "tough on Putin" when he won't even say anything against him on US TV when the host is begging him to?

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[norrislakevol]

I dislike CNN and MSNBC as much as any rational person, but if they were truly “state propaganda” wouldn’t they have touted Trump’s virtues and successes and downplayed his Twitter stupidity and lack of tact and decorum?

I suppose a correction to that statement would be saying "idealist" propaganda instead of "state propaganda".

 

[Septic]

I'm not exactly a Trump guy, but you should at least say stuff that is somewhat true.
Trump condemns Russian invasion of Ukraine as an ‘atrocity,’ blames Biden

Trump condemns Russia invasion; hints again at 2024 presidential run

And this headline is kinda funny......
Trump calls Ukraine invasion a 'holocaust' but doesn't condemn Putin

If you compare what is going on to the holocaust why do you need to condemn the man that ordered it? Isn't it kinda obvious?

Trump will blame Biden because it's politically expedient. Trump doesn't do anything that's not good for Trump.

 

[norrislakevol]

I dislike CNN and MSNBC as much as any rational person, but if they were truly “state propaganda” wouldn’t they have touted Trump’s virtues and successes and downplayed his Twitter stupidity and lack of tact and decorum?

I suppose a correction to that statement would be saying "idealist" propaganda instead of "state propaganda".

 

[MontyPython]

US Police Have So Much Extra Gear They’re Sending It to Ukraine

Police departments around the U.S. are donating tactical gear to Ukraine, whose annual defense budget is smaller than the NYPD’s.
https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/paul-blest
Police departments around the U.S. are donating tactical gear to Ukraine, whose annual defense budget is smaller than the NYPD’s.
Law enforcement agencies in several states have all announced in recent days that they’re donating dozens of pieces of body armor, such as ballistic helmets and vests.

Some of the departments and their respective local partners—one of which is a top defense contractor with U.S. and Ukrainian government contracts—say the donations will be distributed to Ukrainian citizens under siege by the Russian military.

 

[Septic]

Russia is about to become the DPRK with longer range nukes.

China wins by having its borders closed off by two countries that are too stupid to realize they're puppets.

 

[luthervol]

I doubt Putin-on-the-Blitz is concerned about how anyone feels about targeting civilians.

I think Putin-on-the-Blitz is very concerned about how people feel about him targeting civilians. It is precisely why he is so obsessed with hiding the truth through propaganda. If he didn't care, he'd say "sure I bombed a hospital, what about it? - I'm also demanding my soldiers rape kids and skin old people alive."

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I get accused of "whataboutism" and being a Putin water carrier and all of that. But my main objective is to show people on the right an alternate perspective and also want them to step away from their knee jerk Russophobia for a moment and use their thinking caps. Just like the COVID madness has shown us, we can't believe much of anything that is presented to us.

I would like to think that most conservatives are more rational people and less likely to be lead by their emotions, but this Ukraine situation is becoming a red pill for me on some of that thinking (I'll probably speak more on that at a later date). But as far as most of these people on the left, especially the ones that were supporting all of these COVID vaccines and withholding alternative treatments that could have saved tens of thousands, if not a couple of hundred thousand people just in this country. There is no hope for those people. All these people are doing right now is showing that they will support Biden and go to any extreme to do so... even if it means wrecking our economy and helping to prolong this conflict.

 

[Septic]

I suppose a correction to that statement would be saying "idealist" propaganda instead of "state propaganda".

Still, dissenting viewpoints are a luxury that we have that Russia no longer has. Irrespective of the "ideal" one chooses, at least there's a choice.

What we "have" and what Russia has currently are not even in the same galaxy as being the same (or even similar) despite the screeches. The hyperbole is affecting people's ability to utilize any modicum of perspective or common sense.

 

[norrislakevol]

I am not siding with Ras or anyone who is more pro Russia but I am also not gonna side against them in this specific war. This war is damn weird and I can’t seem to wrap my head around it. The amount of propaganda and slighted news anymore has made me just decide to take a wait and see approach.

Did Putin bomb a maternity hospital?

Was the hospital a cover for a lab?

I honestly can’t answer any of that. On film it looks like a hospital but now we have our own government admitting their is a bio facility there.

Is that us throwing Ukraine under the bus to help Putin? And is Ukraine kicking Russias arse the way it looks? Or is Russia holding back?

All I know is I sit down every day, coffee in hand, around 4 to 5pm when I take a break and every day the story slightly changed and the narrative shifts a little and the war doesn’t seem to be moving along the way I assumed it would.

Basically, I am really on the fence here and somehow feel like I am watching a huge con game going down and I can’t quite figure out why.

I see what you are saying, and I generally agree.

However, it is comforting to see that the Russian army is a total disaster and incapable of real strategy and tactics. The would be totally crushed by U.S. or British Forces.

 

[Septic]

If'n I'm one of the generals, I'd be hoping to get fired by Vlad.

 

[McDad]

I think Putin-on-the-Blitz is very concerned about how people feel about him targeting civilians. It is precisely why he is so obsessed with hiding the truth through propaganda. If he didn't care, he'd say "sure I bombed a hospital, what about it? - I'm also demanding my soldiers rape kids and skin old people alive."

He might. I tend to view Russian propaganda as SOP.