War in Ukraine

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luthervol said:
Say that again? Our politicians have sold us out? I think it's more the companies outsourcing everything who have sold us out.
If they can increase their profits by 5% by outsourcing, then that's what they do - with little to no concern about the larger picture or the long term consequences.

It's capitalism baby.
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And who writes the laws and regulations that govern tariffs, outsourcing, and tax breaks? That’s a tough one 🤔
 
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red butler said:
We used that reasoning to justify the invasion of Iraq.
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And it doesnt work any better now than it did then. I suspect there is more truth to this one, however.

Mind you, the USA could have just said, "Saddam is a bastard, we don't like him and he threatens our allies. We should have killed him off in Gulf War 1 but it was inconvenient for us with Iran there and all, so now we will attack him and finish the job." No one would have stopped us tho, why? because we pull together a coalition of other people who did not like Saddam either and they all cheered - and thats all our media covered.

In geopolitics you had best believe that might makes right and the mob rules. Fortunately, America is at the head of the mob - and I want to keep it that way. What sucks, however, is who is at the head of America ATM - because that is ruining the world.
 
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MontyPython said:
Uh oh. Guess that meeting between Vlad and PM Bennett didn't go so well.
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I’m not going to pretend I’m overly religious or a religious scholar of some sort. That said, I don’t want Israel involved in this at all. From the beginning this whole damn thing has bothered me because I don’t see the rhyme or reason for any of this. None of this makes sense to me. There seems to be no benefit and the Russians continuing to get their ass kicked on the battlefield, as well as in the global financial market is only going to back Putin into a corner. That scares me.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And who writes the laws and regulations that govern tariffs, outsourcing, and tax breaks? That’s a tough one 🤔
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Not really tough at all. Are you saying they should or shouldn't do those things?
Are you saying they should have passed laws and regulations making it harder or even impossible for companies to outsource?
 
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luthervol said:
Not really tough at all. Are you saying they should or shouldn't do those things?
Are you saying they should have passed laws and regulations making it harder or even impossible for companies to outsource?
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I am saying that ultimately it is the politicians who sold us out
 
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luthervol said:
Not really tough at all. Are you saying they should or shouldn't do those things?
Are you saying they should have passed laws and regulations making it harder or even impossible for companies to outsource?
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Does your employer have to make a profit so you can get paid or your health insurance benefits or retirement funds get paid? You are a leech on society and you don't even realize it.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
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She worked on TV news.



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Velo Vol said:
She worked on TV news.

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Really gotta admire her courage.

Wish our media understood the difference between this and what their shills do in supposedly "speaking to power". What they don't realize is that our own tech overlords are busy trying to turn us into a place where dissenting speech has to do the same thing as this woman to get heard. We are nowhere near that yet of course, but we are well on the road.
 
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luthervol said:
Nope. But I'm sure that makes those on the right feel better.
The truth is that politicians tried to slow outsourcing down but could only go so far, short term greed once again won out.
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You do know that the political class and the business elite are basically one and the same right? Or are you saying that the politicians in this country are bravely standing in the way of corporate wishes? How much has Pelosi made on stock options again?
 
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luthervol said:
So you support the government deciding who companies can trade with and where they can locate?
We may be on the same page.
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Yes; any country that has nukes pointed at us, sponsors terrorist group or engages in warfare against us bears government scrutiny.
No, to other countries.

luthervol said:
Supporting equal trade? Again, we agree.
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See? Rummage around long enough and you find agreement with Trump while Dems and RINOs bellow that trade wars don't work and yell "xenophobic racist!"
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They have. Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya, 2003 Iraq... Isn't that enough?
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What cities were leveled in Kosovo and Libya by NATO forces? You do realize Russia has also made air strikes in Libya? Is this the part where you tell me US forced leveled cities in Afghanistan and Iraq? In one of the worst battles of the War in Iraq, the US gave the citizens notice that they would sweeping the city allowing them plenty of time to leave. Iraqi insurgents destroyed rooftops and stairs because they knew the US used them in urban combat tactics
 
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Gandalf said:
And it doesnt work any better now than it did then. I suspect there is more truth to this one, however.

Mind you, the USA could have just said, "Saddam is a bastard, we don't like him and he threatens our allies. We should have killed him off in Gulf War 1 but it was inconvenient for us with Iran there and all, so now we will attack him and finish the job." No one would have stopped us tho, why? because we pull together a coalition of other people who did not like Saddam either and they all cheered - and thats all our media covered.

In geopolitics you had best believe that might makes right and the mob rules. Fortunately, America is at the head of the mob - and I want to keep it that way. What sucks, however, is who is at the head of America ATM - because that is ruining the world.
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Or we could also understand that Iraq violated UN resolution 1445. That portion of the cease fire included a requirement that Iraq compensate Kuwait for the looting Iraqi soldiers did while fleeing the country. This resolution also has all the weapon crap in it. Violation of this resolution in fact voided the cease fire. There is no doubt Iraq violated this resolution. It's all the pretext needed to take up arms against Iraq again. Not saying it was wise or what I wanted. But he violated the agreement by not compensating Kuwait.
 
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Velo Vol said:
See this is why I don't get what Putin thinks he can accomplish here. Even in the areas where the Russian military has beat back the Ukrainian military, do they really control the population? You think they can just set up a puppet government and go home?
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What's happens when you're a strongman and surround yourself by yes men. They told him he could prance in and be welcomed as a liberator.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
You do know that the political class and the business elite are basically one and the same right? Or are you saying that the politicians in this country are bravely standing in the way of corporate wishes? How much has Pelosi made on stock options again?
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I know there is plenty of overlap. That's why I find it so bizarrely hysterical how so many on the right blast government while cheering on corporate America and unregulated capitalism. Personally, I trust corporate America far less.
 
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