War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
I get it now. What this boils down to is that you are for these vaccine mandates. Now you are showing your true colors. Go ahead and admit it. You don't really believe businesses can do what they want. You believe in these vaccine mandates. That's why you are getting all butt hurt over this topic.

CNAs, Janitors, and Food Service workers in the Healthcare industry are just as important to that industry as you are. And those servers and restaurant workers who made sure you got your discounted meals as a law enforcement officer were just as important as you were at the time as well. Your problem is you really think you are better than other people. That's why the democrat party will be appealing to you in the near future.
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Jesus Christ you are dense. I’m not for vaccine mandates from the government. However if a business wants you to get them it is reasonable for them to ask you or to have a reasonable accommodation like a religious exemption which is what they did. And your idea of “being important” isn’t the same as being a skilled educated worker, but you continue to conflate the two because you have some kind of class envy jealous thing going on of why people don’t hold certain professions in high esteem compared to others.
I’m not a republican or a democrat and anyone who subscribes only to either party are morons.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I don't know how old you are but has your standard of living decreased in the last 20-30-40 years? In America you really don't have to put in much of an effort to live pretty well. Get almost any job, manage your money and don't take on excessive debt any American can live as well or better than just about anyone else in the world. Even the people of Appalachia are far better off than they have been historically. I'm not saying there aren't pockets of problems but overall we're doin' ok.
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Then why does every 4 years the Dems tell us how bad it is and we need to elect them to fix it?
 
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Jesus Christ you are dense. I’m not for vaccine mandates from the government. However if a business wants you to get them it is reasonable for them to ask you or to have a reasonable accommodation like a religious exemption which is what they did. And your idea of “being important” isn’t the same as being a skilled educated worker, but you continue to conflate the two because you have some kind of class envy jealous thing going on of why people don’t hold certain professions in high esteem compared to others.
I’m not a republican or a democrat and anyone who subscribes only to either party are morons.
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I'll tell you what. If you really are a VP in healthcare and you think certain people that you are over are unskilled workers and your job is more important than them then please share your thoughts with those people. I bet if you do then you will be getting a call from HR and you won't have your position much longer.

If you really are a VP in Healthcare then that means you are a "company man". No wonder you are for these vaccine mandates.

It is not reasonable to ask or try to enforce people to get a vaccine. Period. It should be about individual choice when it comes to private healthcare matters. What if someone develops a long term side effect from that vaccine your company encouraged? Do you feel your company is responsible since you encouraged them and pushed them to get it?

Since you are not for vaccine mandates from the government then I take it you are against vaccine mandates of any kind towards government workers. Since that would be a government mandate. And I'm sure you were also against OSHA trying to make rules on regards on who should get the vaccine.

And there's no class envy here. I see everyone as equal. However, you don't. If you are a Christian perhaps you should dig into some scripture reading the rest of the week.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Jesus Christ you are dense. I’m not for vaccine mandates from the government. However if a business wants you to get them it is reasonable for them to ask you or to have a reasonable accommodation like a religious exemption which is what they did. And your idea of “being important” isn’t the same as being a skilled educated worker, but you continue to conflate the two because you have some kind of class envy jealous thing going on of why people don’t hold certain professions in high esteem compared to others.
I’m not a republican or a democrat and anyone who subscribes only to either party are morons.
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Some companies had a "religious exemption" in name only because they denied all requests.

TN has a broad religious exemption for their public school vaccines. You basically claim it and no questions are asked. I know from experience as my kids did a slower vax schedule.
 
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volgr said:
Some companies had a "religious exemption" in name only because they denied all requests.

TN has a broad religious exemption for their public school vaccines. You basically claim it and no questions are asked. I know from experience as my kids did a slower vax schedule.
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Yes I heard the same thing. Many companies were denying not only religious exemptions but medical exemptions as well. Some people might actually be allergic to an ingredient in the vaccines or had an allergic reaction to one in the past and would feel strongly uncomfortable taking one.

There is a certain medication I am allergic to and any medical professionals I see know this and I cannot be prescribed it. If this ingredient is ever in any vaccine then I would not be able to take a vaccine that had that ingredient.

Plus people should not need a medical or religious exemption. They should just be able to say I do not want to take it and that should be enough. We do not need the government or any private company determining what type of medical treatment we receive.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I'll tell you what. If you really are a VP in healthcare and you think certain people that you are over are unskilled workers and your job is more important than them then please share your thoughts with those people. I bet if you do then you will be getting a call from HR and you won't have your position much longer.

If you really are a VP in Healthcare then that means you are a "company man". No wonder you are for these vaccine mandates.

It is not reasonable to ask or try to enforce people to get a vaccine. Period. It should be about individual choice when it comes to private healthcare matters. What if someone develops a long term side effect from that vaccine your company encouraged? Do you feel your company is responsible since you encouraged them and pushed them to get it?

Since you are not for vaccine mandates from the government then I take it you are against vaccine mandates of any kind towards government workers. Since that would be a government mandate. And I'm sure you were also against OSHA trying to make rules on regards on who should get the vaccine.

And there's no class envy here. I see everyone as equal. However, you don't. If you are a Christian perhaps you should dig into some scripture reading the rest of the week.
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Saying that certain jobs are unskilled and believing that people are equal are two completely different things you are conflating to bolster a shaky at best argument.

Unskilled job simply means that the talent pool to fill that position is near infinite, you can hire virtually anyone off the street and they can complete the job assignments to varying degrees of success. A skilled job is one that requires specific skills or experience that a finite number of people have and are required to complete their tasks.
 
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List of KIA senior and senior officers of the Russian army in Ukraine. During the whole war, APU units destroyed:
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▪ Major General Tushaev Magomed - Commander of the 141st Motorized Regiment of the National Guard of Chechnya, liquidated near Gostomel;
▪️ Major General Vitaly Gerasimov - First Deputy of the 41st All-Army of the Central Military District, killed near Kharkov;
▪️ Major General Andrei Kolesnikov - Commander of the 29th All-Army of the Eastern Military District, liquidated on March 11;
▪ Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, Deputy Commander of the 41st All-Army Central Military District, killed on February 28 near Mariupol and confirmed by Russian President Vladimir Putin;
▪️Colonel Andrei Zakharov - Commander of the 6th Regiment (Chebarkul) of the 90th Panzer Division of the Central Military District, killed near Kiev on March 9-10;
▪️Colonel Porokhnya Sergey - Commander of the 12th Separate Guards Engineering Brigade of the Central Military District;
▪️Colonel Nikolaev Igor - Commander of the 252nd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 3rd Motorized Rifle Division, killed on March 15 near Kharkov;
▪️Colonel Isaikin Victor - died in early March, his death was confirmed by the head of the Mordovian Republic;
▪️ Lieutenant Colonel Yuri Agarkov - Commander of the 33rd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the Guards;
▪️Lieutenant Colonel Safronov Dmitry - Deputy Commander of the Marine Brigade, liquidated on March 6 near Kharkov;
▪️Lieutenant Colonel Ermolin Mikhail - Commander of the 12776 Military Unit Division.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They were hoping Ukraine would abide by the 2015 Minsk II ceasefire agreements. I think Putin has shown more restraint than many will give him credit for. 8 years and 14k people dead right there on his border.
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Your level of lunacy has reached new levels when it comes to Russia. You can't seriously be suggesting that Russia hasn't instigated and armed the opposition in Ukraine? True or false, Russia has been involved in Syria militarily as long or longer than the US? True or false, Russia has conducted air strikes in Libya just like the US and Europe? True or false, Russia has meddled in Ukraine or worse since WW1? The answer to every single one of those questions is demonstrably true yet you pretend as if they are the unwitting stooge in some ill conceived global scheme to hold the Slavic people down. Yet, it's the "Anglo American" alliance that is the enemy of peace? Your source in all this is a career politician who worked in said country under two different administrations with one being the very administration who launched a "coup" in Ukraine and under Biden whose son benefited greatly from said relationship? The man you are defending worked relatively high up under a government system that killed more its own people under its control than virtually any other nation in the history of humankind. Who also made billions of dollars off of the Russian people in a nation where the standard of slightly above some of the poorest nations in the World. Mother Russia is calling you home, the blood of her people cries out for your salvation!
 
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KB5252 said:
Saying that certain jobs are unskilled and believing that people are equal are two completely different things you are conflating to bolster a shaky at best argument.

Unskilled job simply means that the talent pool to fill that position is near infinite, you can hire virtually anyone off the street and they can complete the job assignments to varying degrees of success. A skilled job is one that requires specific skills or experience that a finite number of people have and are required to complete their tasks.
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It's not near infinite. Tell that to any restaurant manager or owner who dealt with an employee shortage during this pandemic.
If 10 CNAs were to walk off the job at a hospital tomorrow it would be very difficult for the hospital to fill all those positions right away. If a VP quit they could fill that position rather quickly.
 
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For those getting their hopes up about peace negotiations, please remember that Russia has to keep these up for appearances. Otherwise, they are effectively admitting their only goal is annexation.

I'm not saying there is no hope for a peace deal at some point, but Russia has to pretend they are negotiating in good faith, even if they aren't.
 
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landscapingvol said:
The man you are defending worked relatively high up under a government system that killed more its own people under its control than virtually any other nation in the history of humankind. Who also made billions of dollars off of the Russian people in a nation where the standard of slightly above some of the poorest nations in the World.
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Character issues aside, Putin has improved the life of the average Russian over his tenure. Quite dramatically. Which is why he has a high approval rating and why that rating has increased since the start of this incursion.

America can hate him all they want and for a variety of reasons (some if not all may he legitimate), but until they understand and accept the fact above, their response to Russia will be misguided.
 
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volgr said:
Character issues aside, Putin has improved the life of the average Russian over his tenure. Quite dramatically. Which is why he has a high approval rating and why that rating has increased since the start of this incursion.

America can hate him all they want and for a variety of reasons (some if not all may he legitimate), but until they understand and accept the fact above, their response to Russia will be misguided.
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And he's single handedly sent them back to the stone ages.
 
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volgr said:
Character issues aside, Putin has improved the life of the average Russian over his tenure. Quite dramatically. Which is why he has a high approval rating and why that rating has increased since the start of this incursion.

America can hate him all they want and for a variety of reasons (some if not all may he legitimate), but until they understand and accept the fact above, their response to Russia will be misguided.
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You are correct about Putin improving the QOL of the average Russian. However, this fact has absolutely zero bearing on our response to Putin's actions. Further, his invasion of Ukraine will effectively time machine the Russian standard of living back to the 90s when it sucked.

Putin is a thug. Putin needs to fall out a window.
 
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volgr said:
Character issues aside, Putin has improved the life of the average Russian over his tenure. Quite dramatically. Which is why he has a high approval rating and why that rating has increased since the start of this incursion.

America can hate him all they want and for a variety of reasons (some if not all may he legitimate), but until they understand and accept the fact above, their response to Russia will be misguided.
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I do know he has an issue with Jehovah Witnesses. He claims they are an extremist group. Which is rather funny because Jehovah Witnesses are non-violent and do not believe in owning firearms. Some Jehovah Witnesses (JWs) have been imprisoned and I heard the Russian government seized their Kingdom Halls.

I say one reason is I am sure the Russian Orthodox Church has an issue with them. JWs do not believe in the traditional heaven/hell theology like many churches do. That conflicts with the beliefs of many churches. Second, they do not believe in serving in the military. Which is one reason why they were banned in other countries like Singapore.
 
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Electric Orange said:

Well said!
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Now, obviously that is a word salad and something we would expect from her geriatric president. But if we parse some of what she was saying and look at the nervous gesticulating, that indicates to me that they are aware that they can't do anything in Ukraine. They are done. Hoping and wishing to escalate the situation and knowing that they are cornered to the point that if they escalate anymore, it will set off WWIII.

It was actually good to see some genuine human emotion. Gives me a bit more confidence that the US may have some fear of nuclear annihilation that may stop them from pushing this too much further.

She was genuinely nervous about something. She knows something.
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's not near infinite. Tell that to any restaurant manager or owner who dealt with an employee shortage during this pandemic.
If 10 CNAs were to walk off the job at a hospital tomorrow it would be very difficult for the hospital to fill all those positions right away. If a VP quit they could fill that position rather quickly.
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Certified Nursing Assistants wouldn't be unskilled jobs. They require.......certification. Extra education that person has completed required for the job.

The pool of employees is vastly different despite how you view it. If you want to hire a server for example, there is no server school that is required to be completed. Restaurant hires a person and trains them themselves if they've never done the job. The amount of people out there is vast. Doesn't even need to have a high school degree. Whereas skilled jobs require certification/education in that specific field.
 
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