War in Ukraine

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Biden authorizes another 9,000 Javelins, replacement S-300s, plus drones... will be curious if they divulge what type.
 
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landscapingvol said:
He also gassed the Kurds and nearly started WW3 but sure I guess he did keep the peace relatively well I will give him that. What happened to Iraq following his defeat is on the Iraqi people themselves. They were given a pretty good chance at a new start and a new chance at freedom. Time will tell how successful that will be but you are correct they have done a pretty poor job at protecting certain groups of people
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Kurdistan is a different issue. And I believe the Kurds should have their independence. The problem is Kurdistan itself is in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. They have been battling with Turkey and Iraq the most over the years. 4 countries would have to agree to their independence. That's why Turkey got involved in Syria although Assad at the time was pretty much leaving the Kurds in Syria alone.

It's been a mess overall in that region since we got involved in Iraq after 9/11.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Kurdistan is a different issue. And I believe the Kurds should have their independence. The problem is Kurdistan itself is in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. They have been battling with Turkey and Iraq the most over the years. 4 countries would have to agree to their independence. That's why Turkey got involved in Syria although Assad at the time was pretty much leaving the Kurds in Syria alone.

It's been a mess overall in that region since we got involved in Iraq after 9/11.
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Incorrect, its been a mess in that region for me than 150 years.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Kurdistan is a different issue. And I believe the Kurds should have their independence. The problem is Kurdistan itself is in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. They have been battling with Turkey and Iraq the most over the years. 4 countries would have to agree to their independence. That's why Turkey got involved in Syria although Assad at the time was pretty much leaving the Kurds in Syria alone.

It's been a mess overall in that region since we got involved in Iraq after 9/11.
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The middle east has been one disaster after another since it was divided into countries after WWI. Our adventures there have certainly not helped, but it wasn't the start of the mess in that region.
 
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Gandalf said:
I dont really understand the subthread going on here but Ras, based on Ricky's answer, I think you are stretching it a bit with your "power to the proletariat" speech (though I assume you are being facetious) ;)
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It's not a power to the proletariat speech. It's just recognizing the value in every aspect of a business. The lowest person in the organization is just as "valuable" as any other member. That word "valuable" is going to trigger some folks in here because they are going to assume that I am saying they deserve the same pay.
 
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KB5252 said:
Incorrect, its been a mess in that region for me than 150 years.
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Much much longer than 150 years. I'll be glad to give some free history lessons. Or maybe I should start charging for my history lessons. Knowledge of history is a great skill I have.

I was mainly referring to our time over in Iraq since 9/11 based on the context of this discussion.
 
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825VOL said:
The middle east has been one disaster after another since it was divided into countries after WWI. Our adventures there have certainly not helped, but it wasn't the start of the mess in that region.
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I didn't say that was the start. However the early 2000s is when groups like Christians and Mandeans for example started being persecuted against more and leaving those areas. This has caused many refugees from Iraq and Syria to migrate to other countries. Here and in Europe.
 
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A Ukrainian Town Deals Russia One of the War’s Most Decisive Routs

VOZNESENSK, Ukraine—A Kalashnikov rifle slung over his shoulder, Voznesensk’s funeral director, Mykhailo Sokurenko, spent this Tuesday driving through fields and forests, picking up dead Russian soldiers and taking them to a freezer railway car piled with Russian bodies—the casualties of one of the most comprehensive routs President Vladimir Putin’s forces have suffered since he ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

A rapid Russian advance into the strategic southern town of 35,000 people, a gateway to a Ukrainian nuclear power station and pathway to attack Odessa from the back, would have showcased the Russian military’s abilities and severed Ukraine’s key communications lines.

Instead, the two-day battle of Voznesensk, details of which are only now emerging, turned decisively against the Russians. Judging from the destroyed and abandoned armor, Ukrainian forces, which comprised local volunteers and the professional military, eliminated most of a Russian battalion tactical group on March 2 and 3.

The Ukrainian defenders’ performance against a much-better-armed enemy in an overwhelmingly Russian-speaking region was successful in part because of widespread popular support for the Ukrainian cause—one reason the Russian invasion across the country has failed to achieve its principal goals so far. Ukraine on Wednesday said it was launching a counteroffensive on several fronts.

“Everyone is united against the common enemy,” said Voznesensk’s 32-year-old mayor, Yevheni Velichko, a former real-estate developer turned wartime commander, who, like other local officials, moves around with a gun. “We are defending our own land. We are at home.”

Russian survivors of the Voznesensk battle left behind nearly 30 of their 43 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, multiple-rocket launchers and trucks, as well as a downed Mi-24 attack helicopter, according to Ukrainian officials in the city. The helicopter’s remnants and some pieces of burned-out Russian armor were still scattered around Voznesensk on Tuesday.

“We didn’t have a single tank against them, just rocket-propelled grenades, Javelin missiles and the help of artillery,” said Vadym Dombrovsky, commander of the Ukrainian special-forces reconnaissance group in the area and a Voznesensk resident. “The Russians didn’t expect us to be so strong. It was a surprise for them. If they had taken Voznesensk, they would have cut off the whole south of Ukraine.”

Ukrainian officers estimated that some 100 Russian troops died in Voznesensk, including those whose bodies were taken by retreating Russian troops or burned inside carbonized vehicles. As of Tuesday, 11 dead Russian soldiers were in the railway car turned morgue, with search parties looking for other bodies in nearby forests. Villagers buried some others. A Russian soldier’s body before transfer to the Voznesensk morgue. Bodies of Russian soldiers in the freezer train car turned morgue.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol did you ever consider that ZeroHedge fake name, Alex Jones and FelonYoutube guy are even WORSE than our MSM which also have agendas
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Pelosi was just talking about it. Take it up with her. She was the one saying they wish they could take them out, but they can't.

Why can't they take them out?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Much much longer than 150 years. I'll be glad to give some free history lessons. Or maybe I should start charging for my history lessons. Knowledge of history is a great skill I have.

I was mainly referring to our time over in Iraq since 9/11 based on the context of this discussion.
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I was mainly speaking of the Kurds. At one time I had a couple of friends who were Kurds. They were a little wild.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
A short time ago I was reading on these very pages how manly and powerful the Russian military was while ours is a pathetic assortment of gays, trans and the woke.
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You misunderstood what you were reading. That conversation involved recruiting advertisements and what they were targeting. Not actual members of the military. But I get where you made the mistake.
 
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MontyPython said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

The $140 Billion Question: Can Russia Sell Its Huge Gold Pile?

(Bloomberg) -- Russia spent years building a giant stash of gold, an asset that central banks can turn to during a crisis. But any attempt to sell it will now be a challenge just when it’s needed most.

Bank of Russia expanded its gold reserves almost sixfold since the mid-2000s, creating the world’s fifth-biggest stockpile that’s valued at about $140 billion. It’s the type of asset it could sell to shore up the ruble, which has plunged as global economies isolate Russia following its invasion of Ukraine.

Doing so will be difficult. Sanctions forbid U.S., U.K. and European Union institutions from doing business with Russia’s central bank. Traders and banks are wary of buying the country’s bullion indirectly or using other currencies out of fear of reputational damage or falling foul of penalties. And senators in Washington want secondary sanctions on anyone buying or selling Russian gold.

“This is why they bought their gold, it was for a situation just like this,” said Fergal O’Connor, a lecturer at Cork University Business School. “But if no one will trade it with you, it doesn’t matter.”
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Do you think we'll sanction India, China or any of our other trading partners/allies if they choose to go that route? I don't.
 
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Gandalf said:
That is the very latest one. What he shows is that it is going well for Russia. Not as well as they planned for and not pretty (probably because they were misled by bad intelligence initially and bad strategy) but they are capturing ground and moving forward, building supply lines, etc.

There is no question Russian military is not as fierce as perhaps first thought but there is also no question that the grind is inexorable and the outcome unlikely to be any different. He is predicting Kyiv to fall by end of April.

Yes, they are flattening it. That is why I am sad for the Ukrainians because they listened to the wrong voices and now they are the ones suffering for it.

It's not right, but it is so.
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You are correct, the only thing Ukraine is winning is the propaganda war. The Russians have changed tactics after the initial surge into Ukraine did not result in a capitulation. Now it will be a slow, methodical march into the large cities. Ukraine will not be able to stop them. The only question that remains is if the west will get involved when the images of burning cities becomes too much. Even if the west does get involved, it will be too late for Ukraine, its cities, and people as it will already be destroyed.

If the west is not willing to fight Russia, then arming Ukraine is only going to prolong the war and create much more suffering for the people of Ukraine. The western leaders piss themselves every time Putin mentions nukes, so I doubt they have the fortitude to act. it is just sad to watch and know that no one will do anything out of fear. It seems as if the west only cares about making the Russian soldiers and the Russian people themselves pay the price for the invasion in hopes of a coup in Russia. The sanctions will hurt the people of Russia way more than the leaders no matter how much we try to pretend differently.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Kurdistan is a different issue. And I believe the Kurds should have their independence. The problem is Kurdistan itself is in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. They have been battling with Turkey and Iraq the most over the years. 4 countries would have to agree to their independence. That's why Turkey got involved in Syria although Assad at the time was pretty much leaving the Kurds in Syria alone.

It's been a mess overall in that region since we got involved in Iraq after 9/11.
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It isn't a separate issue when the country you reside in is trying to kill you. I get it that Kurds want their independence but that doesn't justify killing ten of thousands of innocent people under the Hussein Regime
 
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825VOL said:
You are correct, the only thing Ukraine is winning is the propaganda war. The Russians have changed tactics after the initial surge into Ukraine did not result in a capitulation. Now it will be a slow, methodical march into the large cities. Ukraine will not be able to stop them. The only question that remains is if the west will get involved when the images of burning cities becomes too much. Even if the west does get involved, it will be too late for Ukraine, its cities, and people as it will already be destroyed.

If the west is not willing to fight Russia, then arming Ukraine is only going to prolong the war and create much more suffering for the people of Ukraine. The western leaders piss themselves every time Putin mentions nukes, so I doubt they have the fortitude to act. it is just sad to watch and know that no one will do anything out of fear. It seems as if the west only cares about making the Russian soldiers and the Russian people themselves pay the price for the invasion in hopes of a coup in Russia. The sanctions will hurt the people of Russia way more than the leaders no matter how much we try to pretend differently.
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The simple solutions has been there for 8 years. The West has falsely emboldened the Ukrainian regimes to take a hardline instead of a more reasonable approach. Minsk II was an easy deal to make and abide by.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I never said Russian involvement in Ukraine is okay. However, the official government and recognized leader of Syria did invite Russia into their conflict to help.

I do not see any Russian politicians coming here to the U.S., Mexico, and Canada and inciting anyone to overthrew their government. If I am wrong about that please let me know.

See my comments I have made regarding the Russian government's treatment of Jehovah Witnesses. I believe I am the only one on here who has brought that up.

And what in the world did a senator from Arizona have getting involved in Ukraine? That was also not the only country he got involved in. He got involved in Georgia and Syria. He should have been focusing more of his time on the issues here at home and in his home state. He had no business getting involved in international affairs and stirring up conflict. But, McCain is the man with integrity now so I guess it was okay.
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The syria thing was an open call. That suddenly didnt want the US involved after we got started.

I dont personally buy the Trump/Russia connection but many people in this nation believe precisely that Russia was using Trump to overthrow or weaken our government. Some of his family did meet with a diplomat, again some people think that's impeachment worthy. And some of those people are in power now. If you fall on the Trump side of things it was the Russians that provided the Steele Dossier to overthrow Trump, and Hilary recieved more foreign money than Trump did.

Again the US being bad doesnt cancel out or justify what Russia is doing. Russia chose to full on invade a foreign country. There are plenty of other threads for our wrong doings. It being here is deflection.
 
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