War in Ukraine

Might be a good time to remind the warhawks we were long ago warned about going not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy...John Quincy Adams...

And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
 
Again, no one can answer the question, how does picking a side in this ridiculous conflict help the average American citizen. If you're worried about Ukrainians, they are taking foreign fighters and there are people who will pay your way over there.
It helps establish a more peaceful world moving forward.
 
We now more clearly see that the UN and institutions like it are worthless money and time wasters.
I'm afraid it's going to move it in the direction you most fear.
The UN and institutions like it will not disappear, they will be strengthened.
 
I'm afraid it's going to move it in the direction you most fear.
The UN and institutions like it will not disappear, they will be strengthened.
The UN and NATO stood by and watched a country get pummeled for 3 weeks before doing squat. Then, they succumbed to popular opinion and started to send money and weapons to a population of people that have already been largely decimated. They waited until the outcome was already decided before taking action. They're like all other politicians...worthless.
 
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Who trained the Syrians on how to deploy theirs?
I don't know? Who was it?

We can do this all day long but those were different times but it wasn't right then either
We can... and when the day is done, we will realize that all roads seem to lead back to the US.

The Syrian chemical weapons came from Iraq, which Iraq got from the US. So in essence, the US accused the Syrians of using chemical weapons that came from the US.
 
I have a 16 year old son and ain't no way in hell I would risk his life for some regional skirmish in Ukraine. Anyone willing to risk American blood over there isn't a serious person.
Bravado only extends when it's not their child or relative involved in a conflict where they might risk one of their lives.
 

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