War in Ukraine

[luthervol]

Only the weapons. People are the same.

To a degree. But what is acceptable and expected has changed.....appropriately so.

 

[luthervol]

Save me this faux concern about women and children when you and your political peers were out here wanting force experimental jabs on people and willing to ruin their livelihoods if they did not comply. And the countless tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands that could have been saved by allowing alternative treatments outside of the approved FDA/CDC list of treatments.

The whole vaccine nonsense is wearing a little thin. Pick a new angle.

 

[Vol423]

Didnt Biden just "accidently" drone bomb a family, killing 10 innocent civilians? Maybe the US Senate should hold up on the virtue signaling.

Yes. For loading cases of water in their car. That prompted me to warn all members of the Volnation politics forum to beware of drone strikes in Costco parking lots. Costco moves a lot of water.

 

[luthervol]

The parameters should be simple yet we have too many people like Luther in our government who feel those parameters should include feelings. And they should be shouted down at every turn.

And what are those parameters?

 

[Vol423]

Been a while since I've taken any law classes but from what I remember the "International Court" basically has no real power to do anything.

It makes rent-a-cops look powerful by comparison.

 

[tvolsfan]

We're probably witnessing the beginning of the end for the petro dollar. Which pretty much means the end of the dollar.

I’ve seen a lot of alarmist takes about this in the last couple days. Put me in the camp that thinks the richest country of all time can take the economic hit without being reduced to the barter system.

 

[volgr]

My jets are fine just as they are. There is a price to pay for that job training and free college. Defending our country is a pretty vague concept. Were we defending our country in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan? I doubt there is anyone more anti-war in the PF than me. That's precisely why allowing some crazed "leader" to perpetrate a war on a relatively defenseless country killing thousands of innocent people in the process should never be tolerated. I'm for stopping war not fighting war.
The no skin in the game comment is absurd by the way.
And those kids volunteered themselves. We have an all volunteer defense.

There is a price to pay? Just stop man, every time you try to rephrase your statement you make it worse.

 

[luthervol]

How exactly do you propose we enforce a no fly zone without firing on Russian aircraft?

Announce that we are establishing a no fly zone. Then it would be Russia's choice on whether or not they wished to ignore it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How exactly do you propose we enforce a no fly zone without firing on Russian aircraft?

Something that I noticed when watching that word salad video by Pelosi... not only was it erratic, but by her body language, it seemed more like fear. She knows something. I'm spitballing... but we have seen the Russians send missiles to a training center that was near Poland's border, Iran send missiles to an alleged Israeli assembly area that is near a US facility and a drone that was able to fly from Ukraine to Croatia. In all three events, none of these events tripped off any air defense systems. Is that because there was no air defense system near Poland's border/near a US facility in Iraq/on the borders protecting NATO countries? Or is that an indication that air defense system was bypassed or they simply slipped through without any external manipulation.

If you are a NATO nation (and the Croatian leader mentions this), you have to wonder how this can be possible. And you also have worry about the effectiveness of this US air defense umbrella that is supposed to be protecting Western Europe.

 

[luthervol]

.. to an all out war with an atomic foe , yes you are correct .

Why in the world would Russia use that as an excuse to start an all out war?

 

[rekinhavoc]

Yeah, because bombing a hospital isn't enough to earn the label in America, am I right?

Plenty of other people can call that out. The president should have more restraint.

 

[luthervol]

Why would it be a great step? What have the Europeans done so far?

I'm talking about NATO -

 

[LittleVol]

Something that I noticed when watching that word salad video by Pelosi... not only was it erratic, but by her body language, it seemed more like fear. She knows something. I'm spitballing... but we have seen the Russians send missiles to a training center that was near Poland's border, Iran send missiles to an alleged Israeli assembly area that is near a US facility and a drone that was able to fly from Ukraine to Croatia. In all three events, none of these events tripped off any air defense systems. Is that because there was no air defense system near Poland's border/near a US facility in Iraq/on the borders protecting NATO countries? Or is that an indication that air defense system was bypassed or they simply slipped through without any external manipulation.

If you are a NATO nation (and the Croatian leader mentions this), you have to wonder how this can be possible. And you also have worry about the effectiveness of this US air defense umbrella that is supposed to be protecting Western Europe.

valid points.

 

[luthervol]

There is a price to pay? Just stop man, every time you try to rephrase your statement you make it worse.

I phrased it as I intended to phrase it.

 

[Gandalf]

I’ve seen a lot of alarmist takes about this in the last couple days. Put me in the camp that thinks the richest country of all time can take the economic hit without being reduced to the barter system.

But that is just because you dont understand the underlying economics of why we are as rich as we are.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

valid points.

One more thing that just went over my head when this was initially reported.

Attack on Ukrainian base came from warplanes inside Russia, Pentagon says, underscoring limits of a no-fly zone

The facility has been used in the past by U.S. and NATO troops to provide training for the Ukrainian military and currently houses about 1,000 foreign volunteers who have traveled to Ukraine to aid in its war with Russia.

So NATO troops in Ukraine... a non-NATO member. Now, what are the odds that there were NATO trained troops or actual NATO trainers or support staff over the last 8 years in the Donbas?

 

[tvolsfan]

But that is just because you dont understand the underlying economics of why we are as rich as we are.

The USA was enormously rich before the creation of the petrodollar. Now obviously challenged to the dollar’s hegemony will have negative economic effects for us, but some of the Twitter/Reddit/message board takes I’ve seen in the last 48 hours or so have been comical.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The whole vaccine nonsense is wearing a little thin. Pick a new angle.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, the irony.

 

[0nelilreb]

Why in the world would Russia use that as an excuse to start an all out war?

WE/ NATO would be declaring that we will shoot down Russian planes over a non NATO country. This will bite us ( The U.S.) in the ass . What do you think China’s first official act will be ? I understand your desire for “ONE WORLD ORDER, “ but your geopolitical ideas will get a lot of people killed .

 

[LouderVol]

My jets are fine just as they are. There is a price to pay for that job training and free college. Defending our country is a pretty vague concept. Were we defending our country in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan? I doubt there is anyone more anti-war in the PF than me. That's precisely why allowing some crazed "leader" to perpetrate a war on a relatively defenseless country killing thousands of innocent people in the process should never be tolerated. I'm for stopping war not fighting war.
The no skin in the game comment is absurd by the way.
And those kids volunteered themselves. We have an all volunteer defense.

Anti war, but wants to get in a war with our longest standing rival. My how the turn tables have turned.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Solution: follow suit with the International Court of Justice and just "declare" a no-fly zone. Putin will abide since we said so, and we won't need any planes.

 

[luthervol]

Anti war, but wants to get in a war with our longest standing rival. My how the turn tables have turned.

I do not want to get in a war with our longest standing rival, nor do they want to get in a war with us........that's the point.

 

[LouderVol]

I’ve seen a lot of alarmist takes about this in the last couple days. Put me in the camp that thinks the richest country of all time can take the economic hit without being reduced to the barter system.

We are the richest because of the Petro dollar.

And there are plenty of steps in suffering before we get to bartering. I mean I guess the Great Depression wasnt bad because we still used the dollar right?

 

[LouderVol]

Announce that we are establishing a no fly zone. Then it would be Russia's choice on whether or not they wished to ignore it.

Lol. So we are posting no gun signs over Ukraine. Because that is so effective...

 

[tvolsfan]

Forget the no fly zone. We would be better off getting the CIA to conjure up one of those magic color revolutions ras is always going on about.