War in Ukraine

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NCFisher said:
Utter nonsense; that's a meme going on in your head to create your own strawman so you can set fire to it.

No one here has defended, for instance, the Iraq invasion but rather the inverse. The U.S. and UK acted without a second resolution; that's actually against the charter and principle of self defense, rather than exercising a presumed, preemptive self defense.


Now, either the UN Sec. Council sanctioned Ukraine's invasion and didn't tell anyone about it, or he doesn't feel that way now, eh?

Russia has no security concerns re: Ukraine. And your argument boils down to an infantile mess that because the U.S. did wrong, Russia is justified in doing wrong.
Volgr told me how smart his 5th grader is, but got silent when I posted hypotheticals from them. Maybe you can take up where he left off.
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While I agree with the general unjustness of Russia invading, to say they have no security concerns re Ukraine is sophomoric at best and blatantly dishonest at worst. No, of course Russia isn’t worried about Ukraine invading but a child knows they worry about the US and NATO using it as a base to destabilize Russian gov, influence the population and put serious NATO weapons right on their border. Personally, I’m fine with is doing that but can understand why the Russians wouldn’t be.
 
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Gandalf said:
While I agree with the general unjustness of Russia invading, to say they have no security concerns re Ukraine is sophomoric at best and blatantly dishonest at worst. No, of course Russia isn’t worried about Ukraine invading but a child knows they worry about the US and NATO using it as a base to destabilize Russian gov, influence the population and put serious NATO weapons right on their border. Personally, I’m fine with is doing that but can understand why the Russians wouldn’t be.
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A sophomoric - and perhaps dishonest - child leads with insults without following the dialogue and grasping context, if able.

NCFisher said:
World:
"You have nukes pointed at us and the Euro nuke powers. We have nukes pointed at you. No one wants to be the azzhole that hits the button, erasing his country even as he destroys others, creating a global nuclear holocaust. Ukraine westernizing doesn't change that equation; you're not invading us, we're not invading you."
"Everyone good?"

Putin: "Nazis!"
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Does that sound as if I don't understand Putin's alleged concerns? Well, no; I plainly counter that his concerns are not practical to the point of sophomoric, childish and dishonest absurdity. I repeat; Russia has no security concerns regarding Ukraine. Do you understand the context now?

The post you quoted; you omitted a telling quote from Putin re: invasion without Security Council sanction to be a violation of international law. That should have given you pause.

I've also laid out that Putin does not recognize Ukraine as anything other than Russian, an artificial forced construct, and has stated dissolution of the USSR was the greatest catastrophe of the century. And how he has used that, along with his statement bemoaning Russian citizens disconnected across the former satellite states as a great tragedy and that Russia will protect them wherever they are, to prop up separatist groups within those states and do exactly what you state he fears; destabilizing those countries. In Ukraine, he's fighting 'Nazis'. You may think he believes that, and you'd be a useful tool.

If not following the conversation to date, you may at least inquire before piping off with insult next time. Or not; either way suits me.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I love the propaganda to paint Ukraine as this somehow good country lol
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It's almost, and I stress almost, as the belief of any of the following:
Ukraine is full of nazis
The general Ukrainian citizen wants this
Russia will be greeted as liberators
Putin is a freedom fighter

Again almost
 
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Gandalf said:
While I agree with the general unjustness of Russia invading, to say they have no security concerns re Ukraine is sophomoric at best and blatantly dishonest at worst. No, of course Russia isn’t worried about Ukraine invading but a child knows they worry about the US and NATO using it as a base to destabilize Russian gov, influence the population and put serious NATO weapons right on their border. Personally, I’m fine with is doing that but can understand why the Russians wouldn’t be.
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Can you explain how a base to destabilize Russia's government would be used in Ukraine? Or, maybe a better question, why would that base need to be relatively close to Russia?
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm so glad Russia isn't targeting civilians in this righteous cleanse of Nazi's. Thank goodness he's showing restraint and minimizing civilian casualties.........
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Have Ukrainian Nazis attacked Russia/have a history of attacking Russia?
 
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Paper_Towel said:
Have you ever seen what direct-fire of a 152mm can do?

Have you ever seen what a BMP-1 turned into a mobile IED can do? A loaded SPG could do a lot.

They could also take the shells and make IEDs.
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Obliteration? Only videos. I wonder why Russian soldiers wouldn’t render that tank and it’s contents completely useless?
 
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